"The Dark Knight" Reviews

**RebelMan** · 07-18-2008, 11:24 PM

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rlm · 07-19-2008, 04:03 AM

here's my review....

heath ledger "is" the joker. they might as well call it quits with another sequel cuz nothing will live up to this one. this is the best superhero movie of all time and heath better get an oscar for this. the joker was psychotic and his scenes were intense. when he was about to do harm to someone, in the back of my mind i was thinking "he wouldn't", but i knew he would. i wouldn't want to be left alone in a room with him. you'd be dead within minutes. from this point on no one should ever take on the role of the joker again, heath owns it. oh and two face was allright too. not that great and once again his origin is screwed up but at least they got the look right. bale as batman, well he was just batman, nothing much to say. this was heath's movie, not the batman.

SilverSpoon · 07-19-2008, 07:57 AM

I think everyone is just butt kissing Heath Ledger. The Harvey Dent plot was the best thing in this movie. It was the best storytelling, his character was awesome, and it was a good transformation. You know, if there weren't rumours about an Oscar nomination, not many people would be saying anything about Heath Ledger's supposed "Oscar-worthy" performance. The hype has just had this insane domino effect. It's like if you read a positive review before seeing a movie, your brain will start processing those other person's feelings into your own as you watch it. At the same time, though, there's no denying the Joker performance was good, as was everybody else's in this movie. But Oscar-worthy? I didn't really think so. But then again I don't like the Oscars or any other awards show so it doesn't really matter what I think. Whether or not he wins anything won't make me think any less or more of his performance. It is what it is, and it's fantastic without being spectacularly brilliant.

Oh, and RebelMan, I totally expected you to just post a bunch of other peoples' reviews. You're the only person in the world who will make a thread about reviews and not have one from yourself, and I see that in a lot of other threads too. You always post things from other sources and hardly use your own words to talk about these movies and shows. It's just news after news after news.

Captain Beefheart · 07-19-2008, 08:12 AM

You're tripping Spoon, I mean for real, first Danny Devitto worthy of an Oscar for the penguin and now Harvey Dent was the actual plot of the movie. You can't be serious. What's next Tim Burton was a better director than Nolan? The f!uck outta here.

Let's lay it down for ya. Heath Ledger's Joker is a standard against which 99 percent of the comic depictions of the joker have even fallen short. This is going to raise people's games. It would be bizarre for someone to win an oscar for a comic book movie, but Ledger should and it doesn't have anything to do with his death. It's a performance that deserves to be watched more than once, because there are little nuances and subtleties that Ledger brings forward as the movie goes on. One thing he does in the film, yet it's so small, is he licks the insides of his cheeks, right where his scars are. You can hardly tell, except for the fact that sometimes you see the motion within his mouth. It's such a small thing, but it makes perfect sense coming from this character, this masochistic, sadistic, madman, to lick the inside of his scars. One thing that I adore about his characterization, is that he didn't forget that the Joker is a sociopath in the small instances of the film when it could have easily been forgotten. And let's credit the Nolan brothers as well, for writing a great Joker. In one instance in the beginning of the movie, the Nolan's make an attempt to explain the Joker's backstory, and at the time, you're disappointed in their efforts. But as the movie wears on, you understand that the backstory you were given was bogus, and it's all part of the psychotic allure, sadistic charm, and criminal psyche that Joker is trying to play himself up to be. And it works. Characters like the Joker don't need a backstory, because it's too difficult to comprehend and understand how characters like him became who they are.

Oh and by the way, this movie was about Batman. Bale did another excellent job balancing Bruce Wayne (sleeping in his office, bringing 3 models to his fundraiser, etc.) with Batman is a tough act to pull off well (see Kilmer, Val). It's truly amazing to see how well Nolan understands what works and what doesn't work about the character. He's intimidating. He's vulnerable. He's confident. And he's human. Too often writers in the comic medium portray Batman as absolutely sure he's doing the right thing 100% of the time, but the best Batman stories are when Batman is confused. It makes him question his motives, his methods, and in many ways himself as a person. Nolan touches on all these points effortlessly and never gives us that ham-fisted "AM I DOING THE RIGHT THING?" moment. It's subtle and brilliant. And Bale plays it to perfection.

SilverSpoon · 07-19-2008, 09:51 AM

The Danny DeVito comment was a joke, although I seriously loved his Penguin.

And I never said Harvey Dent was the actual plot. I just liked everything to do with him the best. He was a good character that I didn't expect much from, and then suddenly he was all over the place. I guess all the viral marketing with that character should've tipped me off as to how much more involved he'd be.

The Joker's "backstory" was actually what made me liken him to the comic book Jokers the most. The fact that he's had several different backstories from different writers who either wanted to create THE backstory or, like in this film, just play up the fact that Joker is making it up or that any memory of his past is just a jumbled mess. But there have been many, none of which can be trusted, and they brought that small aspect into the movie.

This is what I hate about the whole Joker/Ledger situation: I can praise the performance all I want, because I did like it, but until I actually start agreeing on the Oscar thing people will just interpret it as me not liking it or understanding it. And if he doesn't get a nomination (Yeah, believe it, it's actually possible!) I'm going to come online and see the world filled with hatred toward a silly awards show.

Captain Beefheart · 07-19-2008, 10:19 AM

I think you're focusing too much on "your" expectations and not acknowledging the end result and separating from your previous preconceptions of what the movie should've been(atleast that's what i'm reading). No offense.

If you were expecting a Tommy Lee Jones spouting scripted dialogue while wearing a two-toned suit I understand your surprise. You've probably read Long Halloween/Dark Victory right? Dent starts out as incorruptible and as reflected in the film, a possible savior of Gotham as much as Batman is. But his fall is so methodical and heartbreaking because you can't help know it's coming, and then it comes, and you still think the character has a chance to make a different decision this time. And then in every story (be it LH/DV or TDK) he doesn't. He falls and falls hard.

Every character in the film gets proper care, and it has nothing to do with satisfying the stars by giving them more screen time or lines (a la Halle Berry in X-Men 3). It's all geared towards one cohesive big picture where every character has their internal struggles, morals, and beliefs challenged by the obstacles put forth. I also thought Gotham City with noir tones was perfect. Dark even in the daylight, etc. I felt like resembled this immense, sprawling, dark metropolis and all the undertones I got from reading the graphic novels.

Anyways 9/10. Believe the hype.

**Plastic Flute** · 07-19-2008, 01:45 PM

I agree with Beefy on Heaths and Bales performances and his review.
There was only one thing that bugged me, I feel Maggie Gyl. was mis-cast. She is no raving beauty for a Harvey and Batman to go so gaagaa for. Im glad she got blown up .

**Jocasta** · 07-19-2008, 04:55 PM

Beefy's signature picture is hilarious... I didn't know it was that kind of movie.

I can't comment on topic because I haven't seen the film and most likely won't.

rlm · 07-20-2008, 03:20 AM

i have to agree with not liking maggie g. i've seen the movie twice now and in both screenings when the joker calls her a beauty, people in the audience have said some unkind words about maggie. from, "oh he's definetily joking" "he's not serious is he" "she's ugly" "ugh" "she's not pretty". there were a few more but i only picked those out from what i heard at both screenings. i was actually rooting for the joker to kill her off and get her out of the story.

Gumby · 07-20-2008, 04:01 AM

I seriously loved the movie, but as good as Ledger was, I think most of his hype is caused by his death. I liked his smaller moments the best (licking his cheeks, his quiet "I'm not crazy" in the beginning with Spawn), but he also had the flashiest role. It's very hard for the other actors to shine when they're against something like that, but the whole cast manages to do that, and they deserve all the credit in the world. By the way, the Joker scene in the hospital = epic win.

I actually feel that the Harvey Dent storyline was short-changed. I was hoping we'd see Two Face in the next film. That would continue the "is Batman stopping these lunatics, or creating them" theme the comics have gone by. But he got the "Venom in Spider Man 3" treatment instead. Eckhart probably had the most difficult role in the whole movie. He had to make Harvey Dent as inspiring as he was monstrous, which I think he did brilliantly.

Bale was excellent. I totally agree with what Beef said.

Captain Beefheart · 07-27-2008, 02:59 PM

Two face didn't get te Venom treatment AT ALL. His narrative is how great characters are made, we tell their origin, and project him as a living walking tragedy. He's Batman's greatest failure, and it's better to have him there as a reminder to Batman everytime he goes up against him. That inner turmoil was barely even touched upon in the film, well that's debatable because Batman only ran into two-face the one time.

I've been really thinking about the third installment of this series. When Batman received his new armor Morgan Freeman told him it would protect him from cats. I thought that was a little wink that the next villain would be catwoman. She's great as a burglar, but when her crimes are based around defending animals, not so much. Though Catwoman couldn't really be a main villain and it may be too close to the release of the terrible movie Catwoman. The Riddler would seem like a good idea. He likes to kill people using elaborate traps. In fact he's often shown as OCD in this regard, as in he can't just shoot somebody, but has to kill them using a James Bond style deathtrap. The Penguin is usually just portrayed as a very talented, albeit odd looking, organized criminal; I think it would be anticlimactic for Batman to tangle with the mob after taking on the Joker in the previous film.

I'm was also pretty jazzed on the really smart depiction of Alfred. Michael Caine was brilliant. He's no longer the obsequious, wry assistant and is actually somewhere between a supervisor and the red-devil on Bruce's shoulder. He obviously is a lot more than just a mere butler.

One thing is for certain, the themes and ideas floating around in this film have taken the "action" genre into a different hemisphere, maybe not one that is absolutely new, but even within that hemisphere this film has brought something new to the game.

Gumby · 07-28-2008, 01:57 AM

Yes, Harvey DID get the Venom treatment, in the fact that he won't be able to return for the next film after such a great setup. Harvey Dent was a magnificent character, but Two Face was shortchanged. If you consider the way he commits his crimes, he can be even more cruel than the Joker, because he's taking choice out of the equation and leaving it up to chance. There's a lot of character left unexplored in Two Face, and they shot their load too early.

Catwoman could be a good character in a third film, but she would be more of a criminal that Batman tries to reform and act as a potential love interest. I'd love to see the Riddler, or possibly Bane if they want to start the Knightfall storyline. It would make sense if Azrael comes to Gotham looking to put the "murderer" Batman down.

Captain Beefheart · 07-28-2008, 02:54 AM

Colonel Kurtz's(Brando) scene in Apocalypse Now lasted about 5 minutes, it probably stands in time as one of the best scenes in the history of movies. Now i'm not comparing Kurtz to Two-Face of course, but what I mean is that when you imply that he gets the "Venom treatment" you're basically saying Nolan didn't care about character and just threw him there to please the fans which is totally untrue.

When you watch Spiderman 3, you notice that the character of Eddie Brock is pointless to the film. He serves no purpose towards the story. There's really no depth behind him as a character, before the villain. Harvey Dent is the exact opposite. He's absolutely vital to the story.

His fall from grace was the most captivating atleast for me. He begins the movie as Gotham's savior-in-training (even Batman believes this), but as the movie progresses, his mind slowly begins to unravel until he's literally willing to risk his own life based on the faith he has in Batman. But, his faith goes unrewarded largely due to the Joker's machinations, and the good part of him disappears (although I'd argue that Nolan played up his dual personality in an subtle manner, after all Dent shoots Batman in the hip when he could have shot him in the head).

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07-19-2008, 08:12 AM	#4 (permalink)
Captain Beefheart Mu nótahu Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: In a West End town, a dead end world Posts: 4,308 My Profile	You're tripping Spoon, I mean for real, first Danny Devitto worthy of an Oscar for the penguin and now Harvey Dent was the actual plot of the movie. You can't be serious. What's next Tim Burton was a better director than Nolan? The f!uck outta here. Let's lay it down for ya. Heath Ledger's Joker is a standard against which 99 percent of the comic depictions of the joker have even fallen short. This is going to raise people's games. It would be bizarre for someone to win an oscar for a comic book movie, but Ledger should and it doesn't have anything to do with his death. It's a performance that deserves to be watched more than once, because there are little nuances and subtleties that Ledger brings forward as the movie goes on. One thing he does in the film, yet it's so small, is he licks the insides of his cheeks, right where his scars are. You can hardly tell, except for the fact that sometimes you see the motion within his mouth. It's such a small thing, but it makes perfect sense coming from this character, this masochistic, sadistic, madman, to lick the inside of his scars. One thing that I adore about his characterization, is that he didn't forget that the Joker is a sociopath in the small instances of the film when it could have easily been forgotten. And let's credit the Nolan brothers as well, for writing a great Joker. In one instance in the beginning of the movie, the Nolan's make an attempt to explain the Joker's backstory, and at the time, you're disappointed in their efforts. But as the movie wears on, you understand that the backstory you were given was bogus, and it's all part of the psychotic allure, sadistic charm, and criminal psyche that Joker is trying to play himself up to be. And it works. Characters like the Joker don't need a backstory, because it's too difficult to comprehend and understand how characters like him became who they are. Oh and by the way, this movie was about Batman. Bale did another excellent job balancing Bruce Wayne (sleeping in his office, bringing 3 models to his fundraiser, etc.) with Batman is a tough act to pull off well (see Kilmer, Val). It's truly amazing to see how well Nolan understands what works and what doesn't work about the character. He's intimidating. He's vulnerable. He's confident. And he's human. Too often writers in the comic medium portray Batman as absolutely sure he's doing the right thing 100% of the time, but the best Batman stories are when Batman is confused. It makes him question his motives, his methods, and in many ways himself as a person. Nolan touches on all these points effortlessly and never gives us that ham-fisted "AM I DOING THE RIGHT THING?" moment. It's subtle and brilliant. And Bale plays it to perfection. Last edited by Captain Beefheart; 07-19-2008 at 08:16 AM..

07-19-2008, 10:19 AM	#6 (permalink)
Captain Beefheart Mu nótahu Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: In a West End town, a dead end world Posts: 4,308 My Profile	I think you're focusing too much on "your" expectations and not acknowledging the end result and separating from your previous preconceptions of what the movie should've been(atleast that's what i'm reading). No offense. If you were expecting a Tommy Lee Jones spouting scripted dialogue while wearing a two-toned suit I understand your surprise. You've probably read Long Halloween/Dark Victory right? Dent starts out as incorruptible and as reflected in the film, a possible savior of Gotham as much as Batman is. But his fall is so methodical and heartbreaking because you can't help know it's coming, and then it comes, and you still think the character has a chance to make a different decision this time. And then in every story (be it LH/DV or TDK) he doesn't. He falls and falls hard. Every character in the film gets proper care, and it has nothing to do with satisfying the stars by giving them more screen time or lines (a la Halle Berry in X-Men 3). It's all geared towards one cohesive big picture where every character has their internal struggles, morals, and beliefs challenged by the obstacles put forth. I also thought Gotham City with noir tones was perfect. Dark even in the daylight, etc. I felt like resembled this immense, sprawling, dark metropolis and all the undertones I got from reading the graphic novels. Anyways 9/10. Believe the hype. Last edited by Captain Beefheart; 07-19-2008 at 10:22 AM..

07-27-2008, 02:59 PM	#11 (permalink)
Captain Beefheart Mu nótahu Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: In a West End town, a dead end world Posts: 4,308 My Profile	Two face didn't get te Venom treatment AT ALL. His narrative is how great characters are made, we tell their origin, and project him as a living walking tragedy. He's Batman's greatest failure, and it's better to have him there as a reminder to Batman everytime he goes up against him. That inner turmoil was barely even touched upon in the film, well that's debatable because Batman only ran into two-face the one time. I've been really thinking about the third installment of this series. When Batman received his new armor Morgan Freeman told him it would protect him from cats. I thought that was a little wink that the next villain would be catwoman. She's great as a burglar, but when her crimes are based around defending animals, not so much. Though Catwoman couldn't really be a main villain and it may be too close to the release of the terrible movie Catwoman. The Riddler would seem like a good idea. He likes to kill people using elaborate traps. In fact he's often shown as OCD in this regard, as in he can't just shoot somebody, but has to kill them using a James Bond style deathtrap. The Penguin is usually just portrayed as a very talented, albeit odd looking, organized criminal; I think it would be anticlimactic for Batman to tangle with the mob after taking on the Joker in the previous film. I'm was also pretty jazzed on the really smart depiction of Alfred. Michael Caine was brilliant. He's no longer the obsequious, wry assistant and is actually somewhere between a supervisor and the red-devil on Bruce's shoulder. He obviously is a lot more than just a mere butler. One thing is for certain, the themes and ideas floating around in this film have taken the "action" genre into a different hemisphere, maybe not one that is absolutely new, but even within that hemisphere this film has brought something new to the game. Last edited by Captain Beefheart; 07-27-2008 at 03:02 PM..

07-19-2008, 04:03 AM	#2 (permalink)
rlm Member of Sylar's Army Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: tx Posts: 2,097 My Profile	here's my review.... heath ledger "is" the joker. they might as well call it quits with another sequel cuz nothing will live up to this one. this is the best superhero movie of all time and heath better get an oscar for this. the joker was psychotic and his scenes were intense. when he was about to do harm to someone, in the back of my mind i was thinking "he wouldn't", but i knew he would. i wouldn't want to be left alone in a room with him. you'd be dead within minutes. from this point on no one should ever take on the role of the joker again, heath owns it. oh and two face was allright too. not that great and once again his origin is screwed up but at least they got the look right. bale as batman, well he was just batman, nothing much to say. this was heath's movie, not the batman.

07-19-2008, 07:57 AM	#3 (permalink)
SilverSpoon Kamen Rider Kiva Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: www.canofnothing.com Posts: 7,567	I think everyone is just butt kissing Heath Ledger. The Harvey Dent plot was the best thing in this movie. It was the best storytelling, his character was awesome, and it was a good transformation. You know, if there weren't rumours about an Oscar nomination, not many people would be saying anything about Heath Ledger's supposed "Oscar-worthy" performance. The hype has just had this insane domino effect. It's like if you read a positive review before seeing a movie, your brain will start processing those other person's feelings into your own as you watch it. At the same time, though, there's no denying the Joker performance was good, as was everybody else's in this movie. But Oscar-worthy? I didn't really think so. But then again I don't like the Oscars or any other awards show so it doesn't really matter what I think. Whether or not he wins anything won't make me think any less or more of his performance. It is what it is, and it's fantastic without being spectacularly brilliant. Oh, and RebelMan, I totally expected you to just post a bunch of other peoples' reviews. You're the only person in the world who will make a thread about reviews and not have one from yourself, and I see that in a lot of other threads too. You always post things from other sources and hardly use your own words to talk about these movies and shows. It's just news after news after news.

07-19-2008, 09:51 AM	#5 (permalink)
SilverSpoon Kamen Rider Kiva Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: www.canofnothing.com Posts: 7,567	The Danny DeVito comment was a joke, although I seriously loved his Penguin. And I never said Harvey Dent was the actual plot. I just liked everything to do with him the best. He was a good character that I didn't expect much from, and then suddenly he was all over the place. I guess all the viral marketing with that character should've tipped me off as to how much more involved he'd be. The Joker's "backstory" was actually what made me liken him to the comic book Jokers the most. The fact that he's had several different backstories from different writers who either wanted to create THE backstory or, like in this film, just play up the fact that Joker is making it up or that any memory of his past is just a jumbled mess. But there have been many, none of which can be trusted, and they brought that small aspect into the movie. This is what I hate about the whole Joker/Ledger situation: I can praise the performance all I want, because I did like it, but until I actually start agreeing on the Oscar thing people will just interpret it as me not liking it or understanding it. And if he doesn't get a nomination (Yeah, believe it, it's actually possible!) I'm going to come online and see the world filled with hatred toward a silly awards show.

07-19-2008, 01:45 PM	#7 (permalink)
Plastic Flute ICHiBAN HoOT Join Date: May 2006 Location: New Jersey Posts: 14,234 My Profile	I agree with Beefy on Heaths and Bales performances and his review. There was only one thing that bugged me, I feel Maggie Gyl. was mis-cast. She is no raving beauty for a Harvey and Batman to go so gaagaa for. Im glad she got blown up .

07-19-2008, 04:55 PM	#8 (permalink)
Jocasta Love Charlie Babbitt Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Shaftesbury Avenue Posts: 19,038 My Profile	Beefy's signature picture is hilarious... I didn't know it was that kind of movie. I can't comment on topic because I haven't seen the film and most likely won't.

07-20-2008, 03:20 AM	#9 (permalink)
rlm Member of Sylar's Army Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: tx Posts: 2,097 My Profile	i have to agree with not liking maggie g. i've seen the movie twice now and in both screenings when the joker calls her a beauty, people in the audience have said some unkind words about maggie. from, "oh he's definetily joking" "he's not serious is he" "she's ugly" "ugh" "she's not pretty". there were a few more but i only picked those out from what i heard at both screenings. i was actually rooting for the joker to kill her off and get her out of the story.

07-20-2008, 04:01 AM	#10 (permalink)
Gumby Ya Rly! Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 976 My Profile	I seriously loved the movie, but as good as Ledger was, I think most of his hype is caused by his death. I liked his smaller moments the best (licking his cheeks, his quiet "I'm not crazy" in the beginning with Spawn), but he also had the flashiest role. It's very hard for the other actors to shine when they're against something like that, but the whole cast manages to do that, and they deserve all the credit in the world. By the way, the Joker scene in the hospital = epic win. I actually feel that the Harvey Dent storyline was short-changed. I was hoping we'd see Two Face in the next film. That would continue the "is Batman stopping these lunatics, or creating them" theme the comics have gone by. But he got the "Venom in Spider Man 3" treatment instead. Eckhart probably had the most difficult role in the whole movie. He had to make Harvey Dent as inspiring as he was monstrous, which I think he did brilliantly. Bale was excellent. I totally agree with what Beef said.

07-28-2008, 01:57 AM	#12 (permalink)
Gumby Ya Rly! Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 976 My Profile	Yes, Harvey DID get the Venom treatment, in the fact that he won't be able to return for the next film after such a great setup. Harvey Dent was a magnificent character, but Two Face was shortchanged. If you consider the way he commits his crimes, he can be even more cruel than the Joker, because he's taking choice out of the equation and leaving it up to chance. There's a lot of character left unexplored in Two Face, and they shot their load too early. Catwoman could be a good character in a third film, but she would be more of a criminal that Batman tries to reform and act as a potential love interest. I'd love to see the Riddler, or possibly Bane if they want to start the Knightfall storyline. It would make sense if Azrael comes to Gotham looking to put the "murderer" Batman down.

07-28-2008, 02:54 AM	#13 (permalink)
Captain Beefheart Mu nótahu Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: In a West End town, a dead end world Posts: 4,308 My Profile	Colonel Kurtz's(Brando) scene in Apocalypse Now lasted about 5 minutes, it probably stands in time as one of the best scenes in the history of movies. Now i'm not comparing Kurtz to Two-Face of course, but what I mean is that when you imply that he gets the "Venom treatment" you're basically saying Nolan didn't care about character and just threw him there to please the fans which is totally untrue. When you watch Spiderman 3, you notice that the character of Eddie Brock is pointless to the film. He serves no purpose towards the story. There's really no depth behind him as a character, before the villain. Harvey Dent is the exact opposite. He's absolutely vital to the story. His fall from grace was the most captivating atleast for me. He begins the movie as Gotham's savior-in-training (even Batman believes this), but as the movie progresses, his mind slowly begins to unravel until he's literally willing to risk his own life based on the faith he has in Batman. But, his faith goes unrewarded largely due to the Joker's machinations, and the good part of him disappears (although I'd argue that Nolan played up his dual personality in an subtle manner, after all Dent shoots Batman in the hip when he could have shot him in the head).

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