Season 8 of Buffy! - Page 3

BlackWolf · 04-22-2007, 08:26 PM

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Angel couldn't go into the sunlight. But then Buffy gave him the Gem of Amara (which allows vamps to walk in daylight and to be invicible). He decided to destroy the ring.

When Angel had sex with Buffy he lost his soul. It was too hard for him to be around her and not be "with' her. And he didn't think it was fair to have her remain chaste, having only done it once, for him. Except that on his show he has had sex with Darla, Eve, and Nina. And probably would have with Cordy if Connor and Skip hadn't intervened.

Vampires can't have children. Angel told Buffy this. And yet somehow he ends up having a human son with the vampire Darla.

He destroyed the ring because every vampire in their dimension(and maybe others) would come after him for it, and eventually one would probably take it. It was far too dangerous an item for him to keep, much less bring around Buffy, thus threatening her life as well.

I've got to agree with Eadweard on this one, I just don't believe he could reach "perfect happiness" with anyone but Buffy. Which makes extra sense if you're Buffy\Angel person, which I am. I've always wondered why the perfect happiness curse remained after he was re-ensouled. The way I understand it, that wasn't a condition of getting a soul, it was something the Gypsies did to further punish him. Only reasonable answer I've come up with is that they were good\clever enough to make the curse somehow re-instate itself with his soul. But that answer never really satisfied me.

Again, I see it the same as Eadweard, it is impossible, something beyond what we know must have intervened. I mean it's not like Angel hadn't had unprotected sex before, for centuries he was Darla's lover, I doubt that was a closed relationship, and I think I remember it being said that Angelus was a rapist too(I may be wrong here).

wilywiccan · 04-22-2007, 09:48 PM

As I remember In the Dark, he told Doyle that he wasn't going to keep it because it would make him want to stay in the light (and good world) and that would be neglecting the dark. He thought that it was up to him to protect the lost and damaged humans (druggies, etc)that weren't a part of the normal world. Stop demons from preying on them.

Yes, Angelus was a rapist. We know for certain that he raped Holtz's wife before he killed her.

season 3: Hearthrob: Angelus to Holtz "Your wife she kept repeating on me, of course I repeated on her a few times myself."

Angelus and Darla were very unfaithful. Darla cheated on him with The Immortal and he was often with Drusilla. I'm sure there were others also.

BlackWolf · 04-23-2007, 09:41 PM

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As I remember In the Dark, he told Doyle that he wasn't going to keep it because it would make him want to stay in the light (and good world) and that would be neglecting the dark. He thought that it was up to him to protect the lost and damaged humans (druggies, etc)that weren't a part of the normal world. Stop demons from preying on them.

Huh, I'd forgotten that speech. Maybe I'm wrong about the reasons, though I could have sworn that was at least partially why. If I am wrong he shouldn't have destroyed it, he should have grown a f*cking spine and used a little bit of willpower to walk in the sun and still help the helpless.

ohiofan · 05-09-2007, 11:11 AM

FYI - Season Eight #3 came out last week. I got mine on E-Bay and I should have it in the next day or two.

BlackWolf · 05-09-2007, 08:38 PM

I read it, it was a good one, seeing Willow again was awesome

eadweard · 05-10-2007, 09:17 AM

...and whose kiss do you think awoke our sleeping beauty?

BlackWolf · 05-11-2007, 08:59 PM

^I really don't know, my guess is it's someone less obvious.

wilywiccan · 05-12-2007, 02:31 AM

I love Buffy's dreams. Especially the Buffy/Angel/Spike sandwitch with her in that nurse's outfit.

Who is this Kenny that Dawn supposedly lost her virginity to? Is he human? Or is she following in her sister's footsteps?

While I don't like the idea of two/three Buffy decoys, I am glad that it wasn't Buffy with The Immortal in The Girl In Question. I never bought that storyline. Especially not Andrew saying that she moved on. Even in season seven she was saying how much she loved Angel. And she just got to the point where she could tell Spike she loved him. I doubt she could move on. If she ever does date while being away from Angel and Spike it will probably be like the relationship she had with Riley. Where she can't really love the guy but doesn't want to be alone. I mean, she truly cared for him and trusted him but it wasn't love. Even he knew that. She felt safe and at ease with Riley and didn't even realize she had treated him like a rebound boyfriend. She was just happy to have a non-intense relationship where she could do normal things like go on picnics and to the beach. But she was much more involved emotionally with those two vampires.

Willow almost had me with the "Kennedy's dead" story. Like most fans I hated Willow's girlfriend Kennedy. She was very pretty though. But very annoying as well.

eadweard · 05-12-2007, 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by BlackWolf

^I really don't know, my guess is it's someone less obvious.

Actually, I was thinking it might be......WILLOW!!!!!

eadweard · 05-12-2007, 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by wilywiccan

I love Buffy's dreams. Especially the Buffy/Angel/Spike sandwitch with her in that nurse's outfit.

I think there is room for a 3rd guy there...I VOLUNTEER!!

ohiofan · 05-12-2007, 10:34 AM

I actually remember eating a cinnamon bun for breakfast that morning! It must have been me!

wilywiccan · 05-12-2007, 09:37 PM

How about adding another girl in the mix. I'd volunteer.

eadweard · 05-13-2007, 12:42 AM

It's getting awfully crowded here...

ohiofan · 06-04-2007, 08:35 PM

I just ordered Season 8 #4. It ships on June 6 (D-Day).

**andrew r** · 06-05-2007, 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by wilywiccan

Willow almost had me with the "Kennedy's dead" story. Like most fans I hated Willow's girlfriend Kennedy. She was very pretty though. But very annoying as well.

Oh Kennedy annoyed me as well! She thought she was the next Slayer. Just too cocky in my opinion. I wished that Buffy or Faith would have just given her a slap!

BlackWolf · 06-05-2007, 08:52 PM

I liked Kennedy.....

**andrew r** · 06-06-2007, 02:07 PM

You're just saying that aren't you BW?

ohiofan · 06-06-2007, 08:28 PM

I think a lot of people had problems with Kennedy because they loved Tara and resented her taking her place.

BlackWolf · 06-06-2007, 09:41 PM

^I get that, I actually agree with, it was kinda a last goodbye when Willow moved, and it was sad. But we were going to feel that way no matter who she moved on with, it just happened to be Kennedy. But as far as Kennedy herself goes, yeah I did like her, I like my girls with a bit of attitude, plus she is really hot.

eadweard · 06-07-2007, 09:32 AM

Gotta go with BW on this. For Willow to go EVIL, Tara - sadly - HAD to die; nothing else would push her into that deep pit, excepting Buffy or Xander's death - perhaps. So, what afterwards? Willow becomes a nun? Kennedy arrives and is attracted to Will and it becomes mutual. Kennedy even comes to being comfortable with Willow's immense power: "You're a goddess!" Hey, be happy for Will - we don't want her lonely.

04-22-2007, 09:48 PM	#42 (permalink)
wilywiccan PETA freak Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Las Vegas, Nevada Posts: 130 My Profile	As I remember In the Dark, he told Doyle that he wasn't going to keep it because it would make him want to stay in the light (and good world) and that would be neglecting the dark. He thought that it was up to him to protect the lost and damaged humans (druggies, etc)that weren't a part of the normal world. Stop demons from preying on them. Yes, Angelus was a rapist. We know for certain that he raped Holtz's wife before he killed her. season 3: Hearthrob: Angelus to Holtz "Your wife she kept repeating on me, of course I repeated on her a few times myself." Angelus and Darla were very unfaithful. Darla cheated on him with The Immortal and he was often with Drusilla. I'm sure there were others also. Last edited by wilywiccan : 04-22-2007 at 09:50 PM.

05-12-2007, 02:31 AM	#48 (permalink)
wilywiccan PETA freak Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Las Vegas, Nevada Posts: 130 My Profile	I love Buffy's dreams. Especially the Buffy/Angel/Spike sandwitch with her in that nurse's outfit. Who is this Kenny that Dawn supposedly lost her virginity to? Is he human? Or is she following in her sister's footsteps? While I don't like the idea of two/three Buffy decoys, I am glad that it wasn't Buffy with The Immortal in The Girl In Question. I never bought that storyline. Especially not Andrew saying that she moved on. Even in season seven she was saying how much she loved Angel. And she just got to the point where she could tell Spike she loved him. I doubt she could move on. If she ever does date while being away from Angel and Spike it will probably be like the relationship she had with Riley. Where she can't really love the guy but doesn't want to be alone. I mean, she truly cared for him and trusted him but it wasn't love. Even he knew that. She felt safe and at ease with Riley and didn't even realize she had treated him like a rebound boyfriend. She was just happy to have a non-intense relationship where she could do normal things like go on picnics and to the beach. But she was much more involved emotionally with those two vampires. Willow almost had me with the "Kennedy's dead" story. Like most fans I hated Willow's girlfriend Kennedy. She was very pretty though. But very annoying as well. Last edited by wilywiccan : 05-12-2007 at 02:37 AM.

05-13-2007, 12:42 AM	#53 (permalink)
eadweard Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Bristol, TN, USA Posts: 3,897 My Profile	It's getting awfully crowded here... Last edited by eadweard : 05-13-2007 at 12:46 AM.

05-09-2007, 11:11 AM	#44 (permalink)
ohiofan Fan Artist Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Ohio Posts: 4,704 My Profile	FYI - Season Eight #3 came out last week. I got mine on E-Bay and I should have it in the next day or two.

05-09-2007, 08:38 PM	#45 (permalink)
BlackWolf Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 28,122 My Profile	I read it, it was a good one, seeing Willow again was awesome

05-10-2007, 09:17 AM	#46 (permalink)
eadweard Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Bristol, TN, USA Posts: 3,897 My Profile	...and whose kiss do you think awoke our sleeping beauty?

05-11-2007, 08:59 PM	#47 (permalink)
BlackWolf Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 28,122 My Profile	^I really don't know, my guess is it's someone less obvious.

05-12-2007, 10:34 AM	#51 (permalink)
ohiofan Fan Artist Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Ohio Posts: 4,704 My Profile	I actually remember eating a cinnamon bun for breakfast that morning! It must have been me!

05-12-2007, 09:37 PM	#52 (permalink)
wilywiccan PETA freak Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Las Vegas, Nevada Posts: 130 My Profile	How about adding another girl in the mix. I'd volunteer.

06-04-2007, 08:35 PM	#54 (permalink)
ohiofan Fan Artist Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Ohio Posts: 4,704 My Profile	I just ordered Season 8 #4. It ships on June 6 (D-Day).

06-05-2007, 08:52 PM	#56 (permalink)
BlackWolf Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 28,122 My Profile	I liked Kennedy.....

06-06-2007, 02:07 PM	#57 (permalink)
andrew r Moderator Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: England Posts: 29,496 My Profile	You're just saying that aren't you BW?

06-06-2007, 08:28 PM	#58 (permalink)
ohiofan Fan Artist Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Ohio Posts: 4,704 My Profile	I think a lot of people had problems with Kennedy because they loved Tara and resented her taking her place.

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06-06-2007, 09:41 PM	#59 (permalink)
BlackWolf Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 28,122 My Profile	^I get that, I actually agree with, it was kinda a last goodbye when Willow moved, and it was sad. But we were going to feel that way no matter who she moved on with, it just happened to be Kennedy. But as far as Kennedy herself goes, yeah I did like her, I like my girls with a bit of attitude, plus she is really hot.

06-07-2007, 09:32 AM	#60 (permalink)
eadweard Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Bristol, TN, USA Posts: 3,897 My Profile	Gotta go with BW on this. For Willow to go EVIL, Tara - sadly - HAD to die; nothing else would push her into that deep pit, excepting Buffy or Xander's death - perhaps. So, what afterwards? Willow becomes a nun? Kennedy arrives and is attracted to Will and it becomes mutual. Kennedy even comes to being comfortable with Willow's immense power: "You're a goddess!" Hey, be happy for Will - we don't want her lonely.