What has KK done for you lately?

[SultanOfSix]

Originally posted by Omega_Red:
I don't lack for confidence but I've heard enough horror stories about guys getting shot down by Kristin. And for every favorable fan story there is one that claims she treated them sub-human.

As far as acting being one of the ten least respected professions, that's based on an actual survey. I'm sure you can find it online.

And if you want me to believe you sit around fantasizing about a girl you have NO chance of hooking up with well... the only thing I can say about that is that's why she's a star and you aren't. She didn't believe becoming a famous actress was impossible and that's why she's where she's at. Most people treat stars as if they're gods, and that's why they're where they're at. I don't believe in limitations and I damn sure don't believe that Kristin is out of my league. Hell, I know someone who went to middle school with Halle Berry's current boyfriend; supposedly, he was a shy nerd who no one would have EVER thought would hook up with someone like Halle but now he's a known actor in his own right dating one of the most beautiful women in the world.

I don't except being second rate or second best. One man's fantasy is another man's reality. [/QB]

I never questioned your confidence and it was never a part of the discussion.

I've read more good than bad. In truth, I have yet to read a bad story about her, except maybe the Rolling Stone's interview. But then again, I get my information from fan web sites so I don't expect them to be negative. If you have heard some stories, maybe you can point out a link, or maybe you can detail them.

I don't believe in surveys, nor do I believe in polls. Most poll and survey results are skewed towards a certain segment of the population and if there is no name behind the results, then that breeds even less confidence with me. If you asked 10,000 people around LA if acting is a respected profession, I am 100% certain you will get a postive response.

I play electric guitar and have dreams of being musician, I act as well, and earn my living as a software engineer. I haven't been very successful at acting as of yet (The closest I've got to being on film was being an extra on the set of the movie 'Syriana' which was shooting in the Baltimore area just recently, and I may not even be in it because I could be edited out), but I just recently started. I don't believe that anything is beyond someone's reach if they try hard enough at it. As far as Kristin is concerned, she's a star because she is extremely beautiful and she is extremely lucky as well. She auditioned for two shows, and she got the parts for two shows. Most actors audition for hundreds before they get their big break - 99.9% of the time it's not a piece of cake.

I personally don't believe that anyone is beyond someone's reach if they try hard enough, and that certainly goes for Kristin. But sometimes things don't work out. It's the nature of reality.

If you think you and her can be together, then I have to ask the question: Why are you complaining so much about her being beyond your reach? Do what you got to do. I'm sure KK doesn't like complainers. [img]smile.gif[/img]

[ September 09, 2004, 10:06 PM: Message edited by: SultanOfSix ]

Originally posted by SultanOfSix:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Omega_Red:
I don't lack for confidence but I've heard enough horror stories about guys getting shot down by Kristin. And for every favorable fan story there is one that claims she treated them sub-human.

As far as acting being one of the ten least respected professions, that's based on an actual survey. I'm sure you can find it online.

And if you want me to believe you sit around fantasizing about a girl you have NO chance of hooking up with well... the only thing I can say about that is that's why she's a star and you aren't. She didn't believe becoming a famous actress was impossible and that's why she's where she's at. Most people treat stars as if they're gods, and that's why they're where they're at. I don't believe in limitations and I damn sure don't believe that Kristin is out of my league. Hell, I know someone who went to middle school with Halle Berry's current boyfriend; supposedly, he was a shy nerd who no one would have EVER thought would hook up with someone like Halle but now he's a known actor in his own right dating one of the most beautiful women in the world.

I don't except being second rate or second best. One man's fantasy is another man's reality.

I never questioned your confidence and it was never a part of the discussion.

I've read more good than bad. In truth, I have yet to read a bad story about her, except maybe the Rolling Stone's interview. But then again, I get my information from fan web sites so I don't expect them to be negative. If you have heard some stories, maybe you can point out a link, or maybe you can detail them.

I don't believe in surveys, nor do I believe in polls. Most poll and survey results are skewed towards a certain segment of the population and if there is no name behind the results, then that breeds even less confidence with me. If you asked 10,000 people around LA if acting is a respected profession, I am 100% certain you will get a postive response.

I play electric guitar and have dreams of being musician, I act as well, and earn my living as a software engineer. I haven't been very successful at acting as of yet (The closest I've got to being on film was being an extra on the set of the movie 'Syriana' which was shooting in the Baltimore area just recently, and I may not even be in it because I could be edited out), but I just recently started. I don't believe that anything is beyond someone's reach if they try hard enough at it. As far as Kristin is concerned, she's a star because she is extremely beautiful and she is extremely lucky as well. She auditioned for two shows, and she got the parts for two shows. Most actors audition for hundreds before they get their big break - 99.9% of the time it's not a piece of cake.

I personally don't believe that anyone is beyond someone's reach if they try hard enough, and that certainly goes for Kristin. But sometimes things don't work out. It's the nature of reality.

If you think you and her can be together, then I have to ask the question: Why are you complaining so much about her being beyond your reach? [/QB]</font>[/quote]Can't argue the survey thing. I generally take everything with a grain of salt, but I agreed with the results so I probably placed more stock in it than someone who would disagree.

Man, believe me when I tell you I spend very little time thinking of her. But I get vexed when I read boards like this one where everyone goes out of there way not to say anything negative about KK or there is this general acceptance that she is beyond mere mortals. I decided to respond to this thread because it's plain ridiculous to think she has done anything for anyone. The basic fact is that KK goes about her life with little to no regard for her fans. Is that necessarily a bad thing? No, but why brown-nose her when she could give a damn less about you? People seem to think they can score points with her if they "defend" her honor or her privacy on these boards. We treat her with kid gloves... for what reason? She's rarely treated objectively, mostly everyone here just acts as her private cheering section. Where would she be without these people? Damn, she could, at the VERY least, give these boards a mention in an interview or something. It wouldn't take much for her to show that she may once in a while read something written by a fan... maybe someone sent her a poem and would at least like to think she read it. But she has given NO indication that she reads any of her fan mail or does anything to acknowledge any of the people who tune in to support her on a weekly basis (which I don't so that's not an issue). Why do you think these boards are so dead? It's because they operate in a vacuum; the fans don't even EXIST to Kristin Kreuk. No "hey, KK.net fans." No "Yeah, I read my fan mail ... I got this cool drawing from some kid in Idaho..." Absolutely NOTHING to indicate that anyone may have at least been able to get a smile from her or peaked an interest or sparked a thought in a well written tome, a nice painting, or just a short note. You think that's cool?

I'm not personally asking for acknowledgement cuz I intend to make my own mark but damn, show some love to the folks that give a damn about you, if even from a superficial level. It's not hard ... she could do it in a sentence or two. Then she would at least be giving something back. Alicia Keys keeps a journal on her web site that she updates regularly and she's a THOUSAND times more famous than Kristin. KK could at least say "What's up," once in a blue moon. The fans can't even get that.

As for her being out of my reach ... it's more the principle of the matter for me. Like I said, I at least want to have a snowball's chance in hell. Beats none at all. That's just the optimist in me.

[ September 09, 2004, 10:31 PM: Message edited by: Omega_Red ]

Here's one fan who had a rude awakening:

I just read a bunch of posts on another board about people who met her. Apparantly she is EXTREMELY rude and snobby and refuses to even acknowledge people let alone take 10 seconds out to give autographs. Comeon, Kristin, I hate to burst your ego but you're a small-time actress with very second-rate acting abilities with only one small-time role in SMALLville. Get a grip on reality and face the facts that acting like a b**** won't cover up the truth. Even most famous celebrities are friendly enough to give their fans the light of day.

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0471036/board/nest/11539561

[ September 10, 2004, 07:13 PM: Message edited by: Altair4 ]

I don't think that person should be judging theKreuk based on what he/she has read on other forums.

[SultanOfSix]

Originally posted by Omega_Red:
Can't argue the survey thing. I generally take everything with a grain of salt, but I agreed with the results so I probably placed more stock in it than someone who would disagree.

Man, believe me when I tell you I spend very little time thinking of her. But I get vexed when I read boards like this one where everyone goes out of there way not to say anything negative about KK or there is this general acceptance that she is beyond mere mortals. I decided to respond to this thread because it's plain ridiculous to think she has done anything for anyone. The basic fact is that KK goes about her life with little to no regard for her fans. Is that necessarily a bad thing? No, but why brown-nose her when she could give a damn less about you? People seem to think they can score points with her if they "defend" her honor or her privacy on these boards. We treat her with kid gloves... for what reason? She's rarely treated objectively, mostly everyone here just acts as her private cheering section. Where would she be without these people? Damn, she could, at the VERY least, give these boards a mention in an interview or something. It wouldn't take much for her to show that she may once in a while read something written by a fan... maybe someone sent her a poem and would at least like to think she read it. But she has given NO indication that she reads any of her fan mail or does anything to acknowledge any of the people who tune in to support her on a weekly basis (which I don't so that's not an issue). Why do you think these boards are so dead? It's because they operate in a vacuum; the fans don't even EXIST to Kristin Kreuk. No "hey, KK.net fans." No "Yeah, I read my fan mail ... I got this cool drawing from some kid in Idaho..." Absolutely NOTHING to indicate that anyone may have at least been able to get a smile from her or peaked an interest or sparked a thought in a well written tome, a nice painting, or just a short note. You think that's cool?

I'm not personally asking for acknowledgement cuz I intend to make my own mark but damn, show some love to the folks that give a damn about you, if even from a superficial level. It's not hard ... she could do it in a sentence or two. Then she would at least be giving something back. Alicia Keys keeps a journal on her web site that she updates regularly and she's a THOUSAND times more famous than Kristin. KK could at least say "What's up," once in a blue moon. The fans can't even get that.

As for her being out of my reach ... it's more the principle of the matter for me. Like I said, I at least want to have a snowball's chance in hell. Beats none at all. That's just the optimist in me. [/QB]

It is refreshing to hear an honest negative opinion on this board for once, although I think it may be a tad bit too much on the negative side. With the exception of a few posters on this board, this forum is pretty bland. But I just joined relatively recently, probably after a lot of the traffic had died down and most likely for reasons that you already mentioned, i.e. that KK doesn't really give much to talk about and possibly (though I still have my doubts) she doesn't really care for the fans. The devoted to Smallville website is an excellent web site for Smallville information and KK information and I admire the person who took the time to put it together, but the forum is an obsequious fan fest.

The first time I saw KK was on Edgemont. I was flipping through channels one day when her face came across the screen. I was literally entranced by her face. I came back to that show just to see her for a few episodes, but even her face could not keep me watching a show I think is atrocious. Then Smallville came a long and I loved the show and the storylines, plus KK was in it, so now I could both watch a show I liked and the girl I liked. But to be honest, when the show started out, KK's acting was pretty bad. The acting range that was given to her was pretty small, and for obvious reasons, she wasn't very good at the time. But as the show progressed, she started getting better and better, and this I give her credit for. Although she's still not a great actress and doesn't have much range (her character really doesn't give her much choice), she at least has taken the time to get better and has done so, and this makes me think that she at least wants to get better at what she does.

As far as the fan mail thing, you have no disagreement from me. I wrote her a letter and, though I am a little embarrased to say, ended it with a poem. But I received no response so that was disappointing to me. However, I don't want to criticize her just because *I* didn't receive a response because maybe there are others who did, and I can't judge the reasons for why she responds or doesn't respond because of this fact. It just wouldn't be objective.

About the guy who posted about KK being extremely rude from stories he's read on another board, you can't expect anyone to believe you when you say something to the effect of 'I read some stories of her being rude from a forum' and then never provide any evidence, i.e. a link.

[ September 11, 2004, 02:28 AM: Message edited by: SultanOfSix ]

Have I told you lately that I love you.

hmmm.

She ain't been doin much which just gets to ya after a while.

But I still love her.

Anyways. Hello again people. Who still posts here in this late day? I know stealthy does but does that sex pot future wife of mine called Emo still?

Man, S.o.S, I don't know whether to admire you for your optimism or pity you. Maybe when your stardom comes, you'll treat your fans a bit better.

As for KK's acting... um, let's just say it needs work.

She definitely seems to be leading a charmed life. Being supernaturally gorgeous definitely has its advantages. There's some girl out there right now giving a producer a bj, hoping she'll get a bit part in some movie. Kristin gets the carpet laid out for her... I have not heard one story of her losing a role to someone else. Hell, from what I understand, people come to HER to GIVE her roles and she's not even an A-list actress.

Sent her a poem, eh? You're not the first guy to do something impetuous for a gorgeous woman you hardly know and you definitely won't be the last. Damn her ethereal good looks.

We worship Beauty, have for thousands of years.

And about actresses blowing producers, that really does happens. I've known people in the industry with the most jaw-dropping experiences. It's a real harsh profession to be in. [img]graemlins/shake.gif[/img]

[SultanOfSix]

Originally posted by Omega_Red:
Man, S.o.S, I don't know whether to admire you for your optimism or pity you. Maybe when your stardom comes, you'll treat your fans a bit better.

As for KK's acting... um, let's just say it needs work.

She definitely seems to be leading a charmed life. Being supernaturally gorgeous definitely has its advantages. There's some girl out there right now giving a producer a bj, hoping she'll get a bit part in some movie. Kristin gets the carpet laid out for her... I have not heard one story of her losing a role to someone else. Hell, from what I understand, people come to HER to GIVE her roles and she's not even an A-list actress.

Sent her a poem, eh? You're not the first guy to do something impetuous for a gorgeous woman you hardly know and you definitely won't be the last. Damn her ethereal good looks.

LOL. Why would you pity me? We're discussing an actress, not a situation where I am living in the ghetto's of Baltimore under the poverty line or fighting a crack-cocaine addiction. As far as optimism is concerned, I believe in the goodness of human nature, that hope is good, and not to judge people you don't know because you don't know what is in their heart. But that is my belief whose foundation is theological.

Yes, her acting does need work. See my above post.

There are plenty of people who live charmed lives as far as materialistism is concerned. They are born beautiful with silver spoons in their mouth. Paris Hilton comes to mind. As far as beauty is concerned...um people are attracted to things that are beautiful. Mankind has been since the beginning of human race. Like I said in a previous post, KK has auditioned for two roles and been given two roles. In this fact, she is extremely lucky. The fact that beauty has its advantages is old news and that it sells, especially to MALES, doesn't surprise me in the least to know that she is given roles just like many other actresses in an industry that sells beauty. She's given roles, but they aren't A-list roles, because like you said she's not an A-list actress.

BJs for producers in Hollywood? No way, you've got to be kidding me! ;) Do you think Catherine Zeta Jones would be where she is right now if she wasn't beautiful and married to Michael Douglas? People do what they can to get ahead. I wouldn't do things that compromise my principles, but many people do, especially when it comes to Hollywood. And to be honest, I don't think KK would either. That is part of what attracts me to her.

As far as not knowing her and sending her a letter/poem, how is that different from sending another celebrity fan mail? It's not like I flew in to Vancouver, broke my way on to to the set and into her dressing room, and handed her a bunch of roses. That is what I would call "impetuous". Which gives me an idea... ;)

[ September 11, 2004, 11:09 AM: Message edited by: SultanOfSix ]

Hey man, as long as Kristin is looking hot and stays on TV or makes movies, I couldn't really give a crap.

[Nathan8]

she screwed Benicio Del Toro in an elevator ... that's ill on SO many levels

Oh thought Scarlett was just making out with him like crazy on the elevator. Damn, Benicio must be like a 15 second man if they screwed in the elevator...

Anyway... yeah, I don't think Kristin gives enough response to her fans. Like stated above, Alicia Keys actually keeps an updated journal and her schedule is like 185192598215 times busier than Kristin's. Then Katie Melua is huge over in the UK and she still tries to respond to fans in newsletters, even though she like posts every month or two months, she actually says sorry about that and replies to people who post in her guestbook. Even ones that act like freaks and go " [img]smile.gif[/img] [img]smile.gif[/img] [img]smile.gif[/img] [img]smile.gif[/img] [img]redface.gif[/img] [img]redface.gif[/img] [img]redface.gif[/img] [img]smile.gif[/img] HEY KATIE?!?!?!? REMEMBER ME!??!?! I'M THE GUY WHO SNUCK IN BACKSTAGE BEFORE YOUR CONCERT!!!!" He actually posts stuff like that. Hmm... what has Kristin said for her fans so far... Some stuff saying she avoids places like these because fans are weird? That's... so... nice... Well, I probably didn't help that stereotype of fans being weird by trying to talk with her. Oh well, don't really care since I'm not really a fan anymore. Woo... go Kristin... yeah... you're the best...

Being supernaturally gorgeous definitely has its advantages.[/

She's a really pretty girl, beautiful, even gorgeous, but supernatural ? What about her is more extraordinary than other past, present, and future starlets. Or do Kreuk fans just like using superlatives?

On other forums, people think she's just ok.

[ September 11, 2004, 07:32 PM: Message edited by: Altair4 ]

S.o.S, don't be so literal. I was just messin' with you, dude.

Nate, WHAZZUP! The ORIGINAL playa! Man, you did what hardly anyone else on this board would ever have the guts to do ... actually ask the Ice Queen out. The sound of your bowling ball sized steel cajones clanging together must be hard on your hearing. :D You're not weird, man, KK's just a hard target.

Altair, it all depends on preference. Brunettes just do it for me ... Shania Twain, Salma Hayek, KK. I personally think she's exceptionally good-looking and the fact that she's practically been handed an acting career pretty much supports my opinion. Snotty or not, KK is luscious .... (soooo hot ... want to touch the heinie).

Ahem ... what was I saying ...

Oh yeah, she's evil, EVIL I tell ya!

[ September 11, 2004, 09:51 PM: Message edited by: Omega_Red ]

[SultanOfSix]

Originally posted by Omega_Red:
S.o.S, don't be so literal. I was just messin' with you, dude.

Well it's kind of hard to tell on this neat little thing we call the internet, so I just gave you my opinion. No disrespect was intended. I was just stating my opinion on your opinion with respect to KK and her treatment of the fans, although I digressed a tad bit. But I do agree with your premise. She really doesn't acknowledge her fan base as much as other actresses. However, I don't agree with you on the severity of your judgement with respect to this fact. We really don't know why she's silent about her fan base and it doesn't mean she doesn't respect her fans. If anyone has a link that says otherwise or any stories detailing any type of rudeness to the fans, I'd like to read it because I have yet to see anything. If there are, it would certainly change my opinion of her. Hey, at least there is a little more talking being displayed on this forum. [img]smile.gif[/img]

[ September 11, 2004, 11:14 PM: Message edited by: SultanOfSix ]

She had to attend auditions to be cast, instead of being merely discovered, so don't know about being handed an acting career. Also, there are others who could say the same. Luck is a significant factor. Had there been no casting call in her area, she'd still be an unknown.

[ September 12, 2004, 12:52 PM: Message edited by: Altair4 ]

I started to think about the comparison between Kristin and music performers.

Those who come out with albums depend on the masses to buy their songs to make profit and become famous. Is Kristin's situation the same? Are we really the reason for her fame? She is a performer, her stage is the studios, and what she puts out are these appearences and "acts" on shows and movies thru the television medium.

If you think about it, it's reall not that different from a singer. If no one would buy... lets say... Hilary Duff's albums, she wouldn't have the recognition she has now...

So with all this said, are we responsible for Kreuk's fame? If so, do we deserve credit?

[ September 12, 2004, 04:07 AM: Message edited by: ://Death by Talk Show ]

[SilverSpoon]

So with all this said, are we responsible for Kreuk's fame? If so, do we deserve credit?

Yes, you are absolutely right! Now where's my money?

[SultanOfSix]

Originally posted by ://Death by Talk Show:
I started to think about the comparison between Kristin and music performers.

Those who come out with albums depend on the masses to buy their songs to make profit and become famous. Is Kristin's situation the same? Are we really the reason for her fame? She is a performer, her stage is the studios, and what she puts out are these appearences and "acts" on shows and movies thru the television medium.

If you think about it, it's reall not that different from a singer. If no one would buy... lets say... Hilary Duff's albums, she wouldn't have the recognition she has now...

So with all this said, are we responsible for Kreuk's fame? If so, do we deserve credit?

There is a slight difference. Musicians typically rely only on themselves to make music. Sure, there are sound men help produce a high quality sounding album, but the lyrics and the music are solely determined by the artist or artists themselves. I'm talking about "real musicians" here, and not the pop divas who were born with a great voice but can't write music worth sh*t.

In an actor's case, so much depends on other factors. The strength of the script, the directing, the cinematography, the music, the performance of other actors, etc. and not just the performance the actor does. Generally, though, it is quite easy to see if an actor puts up a good performance regardless of the other factors though. However, an actor's career is so much more dependent on these factors as well because if they keep picking bad scripts, and performing in bad movies, then they won't have much of a career.

For the long-winded reasons stated above, fans do contribute significantly to the actor's success. Like I said previously, it is a business dependent upon how many people actually take interest in the movie/television show. If people didn't watch, commercial time slots couldn't be sold to businesses, and therefore the network wouldn't make money. Although Smallville's success is dependent upon a significant viewership from males who are infatuated with KK, she is not the only reason for the success of the show because the other actors play a significant part as well as the script righters and the director(s). She is effectively living the good life (or at least better life) because she is part of a show that is popular for reasons not solely because of her. But so many other actors and actresses are as well so you can't fault her for that.

[ September 12, 2004, 10:22 AM: Message edited by: SultanOfSix ]

All she owes her fans is appreciation and acknowledgement that without them she wouldn't (partly) be where she's at.

Some much more famous actors even communicate with their fans, example Halle Berry on her website hallewood.

[Nathan8]

I'm talking about "real musicians" here, and not the pop divas who were born with a great voice but can't write music worth sh*t.

Hmm... I used to think that singers who didn't write their own songs were fake, but then again, you gotta think that people have the titles of "singer", "songwriter", or "singer/songwriter" for a reason. Just because a singer can't write his or her own music doesn't mean he/she is a fake. They got a gift for singing but not for writing, that's nothing big. Songwriters aren't bad songwriters because they can't sing their own material.
Anyway... yeah, I think comparing Kristin with musicians is legit (is that the right wordchoice?) because actors/actresses careers depend on the fans almost as much as musicians. If we weren't watching Smallville, she wouldn't have a job. You know, I think I basically repeated everything that everyone just said... I'm going to stop now...