Confessions question

I wonder if confessions will be the springboard to jennifer actually climbing above the limitations she has set for herself from the beginning. From the reviews i have read, "confessions" sounds like a sort of mix between sex and the city and heartbreakers. Anyways, the point im trying to make is that although i respect her decision, i dont see why she still has a no nudity clause. By this, i truly believe that she is disallowing herself to take on more dramatic roles that would help her career. If you look at the likes of nicole kidman, naomi watts, and charlize theron, recent award winning actresses, you'll notice that all of them have done nudity. Nudity is no longer a taboo, and i think she would be better off thinking that way. Hence, i wonder if she has realized that and confessions will be the first of such movies for her. any opinions?

She should never do a nude scene ever...
Or until she gets an Oscar Nomination...
=)
Nude does not = chances of doing better. Almost every young actress has a nude scene and its kind of sad really. I hope she never does until she is a SUPER MEGA MONDO MEGA STAR! =)

[i love love]

This one has been debated over and over. It's not a very strong argument though. Very few movies NEED nudity and most nude scenes don't take a storyline to some new height. Please name a few important oscar winning or even just critically acclaimed movies that have nudity as <u>the primary plot or primary storyline</u>. Not just because you see skin. I'm talking story and plot. No cheating now, not just some simple B movies. Not too many are there? Wahlberg's was fairly interesting, it dealt directly with sex and an individual's fall within the crazy adult movie business and the drugs that can strangle a person. Kidman's was odd but it was a Kubrick psycho-drama. Halle Berry's doesn't really count either - that was an amazing movie about race and pain. I'm running out of movies pretty fast, help me out here. ;)

Not much chance of nudity on a TV production. Cable can get a little racy, I have no idea what the Oxygen channel allows. Very unlikely in the first place. Even more unlikely is Love wanting to film a nude scene. Maybe she'll change her mind someday. She hasn't been willing so far.

Skin doesn't make quality, acting does. It's the inside not the outside that has the talent. Eye candy is great but it's not talent.

[ July 18, 2004, 03:36 AM: Message edited by: i love love ]

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I think and hope this is going to be a great role for Love to play and I for one can't wait to see it....

With this and The Truth About Love due to come out early next year, I think 2005 is going to be an AMAZING year for Love..... [img]smile.gif[/img]

LOVE YOUNG GIFTED & GORGEOUS

I'm not saying she needs to do a nude scene. My argument is that, lets face it, some movies require nude scenes, and casting directors are looking for good actresses who are willing to do that.

I just think her unwillingness to do a nude scene is costing her great roles.

"I'm running out of movies pretty fast, help me out here."

Schindler's List and American Beauty, are two films in which the nudity was relevant. IMHO Whether or not the nudity was as you put it, part of "the primary plot or primary story line", is debatable.

Jessica Lange naked on the floor of a mental hospital in "Frances" was pretty harrowing and worked really well to capture her complete vulnerability. (this movie's over 20 years old but people who have never seen it should rent it because she's fantastic in it). Janet Leigh in the shower for "Psycho" (you can definitely see a lot of skin in her murder scene). Schindler's List is a great example -- captured the complete degradation and helplessness of these poor people. The famous Sharon Stone uncrossing-her-legs scene in "Basic Instinct" pretty much made her career and highlighted the the audacity of her character in an interrogation room full of cops. Gwyneth Paltrow being stripped in Shakespeare In Love, as he spins her and removes her binding was apropos -- she was masquerading as a man and here he was "unwrapping" the woman underneath. I think the point is that it's not so much that nudity has to mean something to the movie as a whole, but to that scene in particular. The above are good examples of nudity that worked for the scenes -- whereas most nude shots of attractive young women are just about showing their bodies. That's probably the kind of role JLH would be offered -- which is why she's pretty smart not to do it. Julia Roberts and Sandra Bullock have never done nudity. If Love ended up with a great part like Lange in "Frances" or Paltrow in "Shakespeare," then it would be worth considering. But just to be the topless girl in some love scene ... I doubt we'll ever see Love go for that. Though I must say that in this sexist, visually-oriented industry, some actress's careers have skyrocketed when they were nude for a role or posed for Playboy (Kim Basinger and Sharon Stone come to mind). Love does need to do something to create a little heat around herself ... but I don't think that will be it -- nor should it be. What she needs is a hit -- be it feature, TV movie, or a hit series. And P.S. I believe that Oxygen does NOT have nudity. It's a basic cable channel, not a subscriber channel like HBO or Showtime.

[i love love]

I offered up the question. Debate if you feel so inclined. I'm a guy and I love nudity. I have no problem with it. If I want nudity I watch other forms of celluloid. Cheap nudity needs no plot. Quality movies that have a moment of necessary nudity are few and far between.

How was said nudity relevant as you put it? A plot about the annihilation of millions of jews? Spielberg used very little nudity. American Beauty is another story and I admit that one actually used nudity very well as part of it's plot. It had very little nudity. It did help that plot but to such a tiny extent. The movie revolved around the struggle of a father and his family and his strange horrible neighbor.

What I'm driving at is most nudity means very little in a movie. I love birthday suits but they just rarely fit in a quality movie. I don't believe I'm in a minority here no matter the level of sexual "taboo".

The notion stated in the first post that top actors get naked and become more successful or are involved in something more dramatic because of a nude scene is a hollow argument. Skin or a scene that involves bump and grind does not equate drama or success. Most nudity or sex scenes in movies are completely gratuitous.

Climbing above her set limitations? We don't know Love's limitations. We ARE familiar with her opinions on nudity because she has actually voiced that opinion. Whether or not she will do a nude scene in a movie doesn't necessarily mean there is a limitation. It may mean she has a personal preference and or taste and isn't willing to show the world her body. Are you willing to do such? There are several actors that have refused to do nude scenes and many directors have eliminated nude scenes or even replaced with a stand-in's nude body instead, due to that refusal.

[i love love]

And you hit on an essential BooBoo. The likelihood that Love is going to be offered anything other than a gratuitous nude scene is very very slim. I have a feeling she knows this quite clearly too.

Sharon Stone has the talent. She wasn't happy with that particular uncrossing her legs scene. I don't know about skyrocketing a career. Certainly gaining notariety. Without true talent an actor will not elevate above the norm.

PS - Hitchc0ck was an amazing director. Very little actual skin is seen in that shower. Admittedly for it's time that was a whole lot of nudity. The other scene with her wearing only her underwear was sizzling for that day and age. Most people also believe they see her getting stabbed in the shower as well. You never see the knife touch her. The blood going down the drain was ink. Since he filmed in black and white he used what photographed well. Hitchc0ck was one of the best ever.

[ July 18, 2004, 02:21 PM: Message edited by: i love love ]

"I'm a guy and I love nudity. I have no problem with it. If I want nudity I watch other forms of celluloid."

Agreed.

Nudity has it's place in the realm of quality film making. It's a place that's rarely visited. For every great movie that contains nudity relevant to the story, there are literally thousands of films that contain nudity that has nothing whatsoever to do with the story. In most films, nudity is a cheap trick, designed to titillate and excite the (Male) audience.

You mentioned Halle Berry. She's appeared nude in two films. In one of the films the nudity spoke to the audience. It was relevant. In the other film, the nudity appeared as a gimmick to sell tickets.


Please deduct five points from my post, for using the word relevant, far too often.

[i love love]

Indeed. The RELEVANCE of Berry's scenes in the better film was almost shocking, almost like an overdose of nudity. IMO she deserved that oscar for the role she played. The nudity was crazy in that one!

The other brief nude scene was a big zero in a very weak film. I still liked that one too but I like that Travolta guy too.

"The other brief nude scene was a big zero in a very weak film. I still liked that one too but I like that Travolta guy too."

You and I, are in the same boat. :D


Fight Club! It's been awhile since I last watched it. When Brad Pitt and Helena Bonham Carter's characters were having sex, was Helena nude? I cant remember.

Showing the two of them having sex in such an animallistic, almost brutal fashion, was poignant and beneficial to the overall look and feel of the film. My point is, nudity wasn't required in that particular scene. I cant remember if Helena was partially nude or not but that which we define as nudity didn't need to appear in that particular scene in order to convey the desired message.


P.S. I would love to see Love wearing nothing but her skin but short of actually being her lover, I cant imagine any situation where doing so would be appropriate. She doesn't need to do nudity in films. She can spice things up, if that's her prerogative, and she wont need to show more skin in order to do so. Things that are implied are often hotter, sexier and more titillating than blatant in your face sexuality.

why is nudity such an issue in film? If she has a no nudity clause, then good for her. She doesn't want to expose herself, that's respectful. People who do want to expose themselves, then that's respectful for them too.

People are digging way too deep into this. You don't need to get naked to win an Oscar. Look @ Moulin Rouge. No one got naked in there. Nicole Kidman won a bunch of awards, and didn't have to get nude to do it. Yes she was nude in other things, but not in that particular movie. Think of other actresses who DO get nude, and don't win anything. I mean comeon, it's not the nude factor that gets you nominated, it's your acting ability, the right script and the right team.

Movies like "The Terminal" got good reviews, and Tom Hanks is praised for his acting ability. did he get nude? did CZJ get nude? No, they're getting acclaim cause they did GOOD WORK.

Nudity is being blown way out of proportion.

I don't think that nude clause has anything to do w/ her decisions to make a movie. If the movies right and the times right, and she wants to do it, then she'll do it. I agree w/ her about the elluding sexiness through clothes. I personally feel more people should try that.

my 2 Cents

i think people may be misunderstanding the initial argument a bit. I am not saying that a nude scene is required in a great movie or that jlh should be doing nude scenes.

Simply said, i am speculating that if jlh were more open to it, she would be offered more dramatic, leading lady roles.

having said that, i do agree that jlh should NOT do nudity if it were a movie such as IKWYDLS.

[i love love]

Dramatic roles and leading ladies do not necessarily require one moment of nudity. Therein lies the conundrum. If Love finds enough interest in a role that has nudity then maybe she'll cross that boundary. She has obviously been offered these lesser roles in the past, I mean come on she's a gorgeous young woman. She is probably wise enough to notice that they have been cheap skin scenes and has passed on them.

We KNOW Love is familiar with Alyssa Milano (especially this last Thanksgiving). I wonder if they have discussed this very subject? Milano has stated that she regrets doing some of those skin scenes she has done in the past. She hasn't done another nude scene in years now. Sure, she hasn't done many films either, but maybe she is holding out for something other than the same old thing as well? [img]smile.gif[/img] Then again Milano's last couple of films were very middle-of-the-road. Buying the Cow and Dickie Roberts??? :confused: I was suckered into purchasing Buying the Cow since the back cover mentioned Milano does a lap dance. Bought it, opened it, played it, no damn lap dance and just about no damn plot either. What did I expect of a movie carrying that title? Anyway, she hasn't done a nude scene in a very long time.

[ July 18, 2004, 09:33 PM: Message edited by: i love love ]

[i love love]

OH man Fight Club RULES! Talk about a mind screwing flick. I don't recall the nudity hehe and I love Helena. The whole idea that someone wasn't who they appeared to be and that whole insane concept and ending made for quite a roller coaster ride for me. The two lead roles were amazing. Pitt in a skirt was a little scary though!


I feel that nudity plays such a small role in a good film. Sure there may be exceptions but there just aren't many in my book.

Originally posted by willard:
I just wanna see Hewitt naked.

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Originally posted by willard:
Simply said, i am speculating that if jlh were more open to it, she would be offered more dramatic, leading lady roles.

But what about dramatic roles that wouldn't have her nude? What reason is there for her to be passed on then? If most dramatic roles don't require nudity, then I don't see how her stance on not to do nudity would affect her chances of being offered those roles.

Also, as someone else said, actors who don't feel comfortable about doing a nude scene can have a body-double; so again, why would her choice to not be seen nude affect the roles she's offered?

[ July 19, 2004, 04:35 AM: Message edited by: inusa_1 ]

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this topic is going to get the hook soon...i get the vibe lol

Originally posted by willard:
By this, i truly believe that she is disallowing herself to take on more dramatic roles that would help her career.

Not necessarily. You are insinuating the only good roles for women are the ones they get naked in. It wouldn't bother me if she did a nude scene, but only if it where to help her career.

Originally posted by willard:
Nudity is no longer a taboo, and i think she would be better off thinking that way.

True, it's not frowned upon anymore. I can't think of a big name star other than Julia Roberts that hasn't done one. Sandra Bullock did a very racy scene where she was nude but it cleverly filmed to not show anything. I have heard Love say that she wouldn't and I've heard her say she would consider it for the right part. I just hope the best for her and for her to get what she wants out of her career.