Should Any Forum have Post Count Minimums???

[open32]

Well we know it had at least on positive effect ---->#5
Questions for the newbies - ONLY FOR nOObs !!!

and he's not the only one. I've seen several others. so yes it works.

[Blackmask]

no but seriously tho the problem is that the lurkers don't post. they didn't on the old board and now that we established the 50 post limit some of them have posted around on fh just to be able to enter, which I think is a good thing.

Have you checked the visitors information. Well over half of the people on this board are guests and not registered posters, that's how this place seems to work at the moment. The 50 post limit on starlets has stopped lurkers in starlets.

If people aren't posting in the forums then there's a problem with the forum content or environment that's not attracting or encouraging people to post. You've stopped the people getting in and said there problem fixed no more lurkers. Rather than locking people out work out how to encourage them to post.

Maybe Matt's post is worth considering.....

where there isn't such an elitist clique atmosphere and I can view threads without being labeled as a certain type of poster

[Still Dirrty]

Maybe your should make teh Chad forum private. Just look at how many viewers the threads get compaired to the posts http://forums.fanhost.com/forumdisplay.php?f=166

haha this is just too funny. Matt and BM arguing over a forum they don't even post in. why so concerned? What makes you think you have a say in this at all when you don't even participate in there?

if any of you had been a poster in there I would have taken your opinions more seriously but since you aren't. well....

[Blackmask]

haha, that's the whole thing, it's part of Fanhost, the whole board, the whole community. You want to create a group of elitist posters and an elitist forum. That's everyone's business because it sets up a structure for valuing or not valuing the contribution of all posters.

Your solution to lurkers rather than people posting is a quick fix. Don't let the lurkers in, oh look it's "fixed" the problem.

[M@tt]

You know technically Jonny, I have posted probably 5-6 times in Starlets since the new board was set up and if you consider Blackmask's statistics, that puts me above 75% of the rest of the forum. Hell, before this new rule was put in place, I think I had about 25 posts on the board, which would mean that in the first two weeks, 20% of my overall posts were in Starlets.

And yet, with one fifth of my posts in Starlets, I, like many others brought up the negatives of the new rule when it was first introduced and what was I greeted with? Something the lines of... "The rule stays. The end".

Jonny, you didn't take anyone's opinions seriously then and I don't believe for a second that you would now.

haha that's right we're better then you all omg...

to me it's just pointless when ppl argue over something like this. it's not hard to get up to 50 posts. and once you do you will be more then happy that you can enter starlets with all the pics we provide.

but ok guys. I do see your points here, but me, frasier and blackwolf want this limit to stay and since we are the mods we have the final say in this.

[Blackmask]

Then you Frasier and Blackwolf want a forum with a no newbie rule. Interesting way to welcome new members to the board. We want you to join just don't want you to post in "our" forum.

How about instead sticking with the members only restriction and when Starlets, which I understand can attract newbies post, encourage them to also check out the other forums? I know that would disrupt the riveting conversation in there from the half a dozen posters saying "ooooh, are there any more pics" and "wow she's hot", but maybe you'd cope with it.

btw, I used to lurk Starlets from time to time. Oh no, that makes me one of those non legitimate Fanhost posters, maybe I should be banned.

[BlackWolf]

I see what you guys are saying, hell you almost convinced me with that whole "you lurk in other forums to" bit. Because I do lurk in other forums, and I probably would turn right around if I couldn't get in. Actually now that I think about it I have, something similar was done at a board I used to lurk at and I left, so what? I wasn't contributing, do you really think they miss my sorry ass? Of course not, because I wasn't part of the forum, lurkers are not the same as posters. Also I don't feel fifty posts is much to ask, at the other boards I mentioned you needed rep, so not only did force people to post a little, it forced to post well and be liked enough to gain rep. I don't even care if a person has 50 posts, 5 posts, or 5,000, I just want some participation.

What really get's me is that the only people that are complaining are people that have access anyway, I don't see any real newbies/lurkers complaining because they can't get into starlets. What I do see is new people signing up and posting in order to get into starlets. It looks to me like BM and Matt are the only two that really have a problem with this, and they're speaking for a whole group of people who don't much mind.

So please all you newbies/lurkers, if you've got something to add to this, for either side, please, please don't hesitate to say what's on your mind. If you're unhapppy about not being able to see starlets I would like to know.

[M@tt]

You know, I'm not actually standing up for the lurkers, in fact if you go back to my first post in this thread, I came up with an idea to rid the forums of lurkers entirely with the one post rule.

I'm standing up for people who have been loyal to Fanhost for years, who didn't have thousands of posts but hundreds, who in the space of two weeks would have never made 50 posts because it's simply not the way they post here at Fanhost.

As I've said before, I'm all for rewarding members who contribute to the forum. But Starlets was an established forum, when this rule was put in place, you took away posting privileges from hundreds of loyal members who have supported this forum over the years but only post when they feel they can contribute to discussion.

If the 50 post rule had been given to Starlet's video when this new board was setup, you wouldn't have heard a word out of me. It's that you took away access from members, only to "reward" it back to them when they hit your criteria, that gets under my skin.

Though I can admit defeat because I think it's quite clear that what the moderator's say goes but can I just ask one favor before I give up talking to the brick wall?

Can we make a bigger deal of the fact that Big Poppa will give access to members if they request it? I think he mentioned it once in the middle of another long thread and Jonny made a small reference about it again in this topic. I think there could be a lot of people who would ask for access to Starlets and yet aren't even aware that they can.

In fact, could we even make a thread about it? Have it so that instead of Big Poppa's PM box being swamped with requests, members can ask for access in the thread? It would make the idea so much more accessible for people.

Just another idea to mull over.

^^ yeah that's what was said before. if it's ppl that we know will post, we will let them in. if it's someone we don't know then the 50 post limit have to be followed.

[open32]

Big Poppa said if any member who has been her for a while wants it all they have to do is ask. Refering to these people

I'm standing up for people who have been loyal to Fanhost for years, who didn't have thousands of posts but hundreds, who in the space of two weeks would have never made 50 posts because it's simply not the way they post here at Fanhost.

I heard him say that so if they do ask or make a big deal about it ill let them in. (if I have that ability, im not sure I do, or how to do it yet).

There are 2 threads about the subject already opened, im sure anyone who has concern will post in them.

[Blackmask]

I have also said I agree with the members only restriction. It's the post count I don't like because although 50 is easy to get for those of us that happily wander around saying inane crap at any opportunity, but there are many posters that don't post that way, this includes existing members from the old board, but could also include newbies. I don't think it's fair to force people to contribute in a way they aren't comfortable with. Look at Matt again as an example. He's a known member, if he said inane crap around the place he wouldn't get flamed for it, but it's not how he wants to post.

In fact newbies are even more likely to be in this category because they don't know the cliques and people and to just make inane comments is likely to get them flamed, and you all know this is the case. So someone who joins and posts a couple of times a week in one or two forums, the 50 posts then becomes a reasonably long term target.

We need newbies here, and we need to be encouraging newbies and making them feel welcome and wanted, I don't believe putting a limit on any forum does this.

[Blackmask]

Originally Posted by BlackWolf.

It looks to me like BM and Matt are the only two that really have a problem with this, and they're speaking for a whole group of people who don't much mind.

So please all you newbies/lurkers, if you've got something to add to this, for either side, please, please don't hesitate to say what's on your mind. If you're unhapppy about not being able to see starlets I would like to know.

You are interpreting no comment as meaning they people agree? Here's another thoughts, maybe those who don't agree have been following the thread and are seeing Matt and I told "no way, moderators decision, that's the way it is".

Blackwolf, as a newbie, trying to work your way into an established group of people would you really take the risk of being labeled as a whiney newbie? Especially when two established posters are being repeatedly told their opinion doesn't count anyway. Would you really think someone new would put themself in a position to also be told their opinion doesn't count.

Maybe you are right and no comment means everyone likes it, but there's also not a lot speaking up for it saying it's a great thing keep it. Can I equally interpret this as people don't support it they just don't feel comfortable speaking up against it? Look at the poll results, anonymous feedback, it's a 50/50 split, so there are others against it, they aren't posting comments though.

Matt has just said he's speaking up on behalf of those existing members that may want to access the forum. Jonny, BP and others have said if they are known posters then they can be given access.

I am speaking up because I think the post restriction is not encouraging to newbies. I like newbies, I think we need more newbies, a LOT more newbies, and anything I see that reduces the welcoming and feeling of belonging for a newbie member I will speak up against because I don't believe the majority of newbies would put themself in a position to question, or for that matter be taken seriously if they did.

Edit: Please those with super powers don't merge these posts. I know how the edit button works. If I wanted it as one post I'd have done it myself. Thank you.

m@tt is a tool. He's whining because he couldn't post in starlets. Now he can and still he continues to whine. For what reason? The 50 post rule is working exactly as it was intended. In fact, we want an anti lurker hack in there so it is just like limelight in that if you don't contribute, you can't view the forum. Why? Because we want participation. I think the whole premise of participation is missing from you guys.

Newbies can still post on fanhost. Check the ****ing roster once and a while and you will see.. 20 members.. sometimes 30.. and 50 to 70 guests. So to say that somehow this members restriction is forcing guests away is audacious at best. There's over 25 forums that do not even have a members restriction and if people are *****ing because 1 of them does they need to stick that thumb out of their ass. Omg, this is so annoying I had to post. I hope your happy.

Blackmask, you dumb twat. You never once posted any pictures or topics in starlets. Why are you even talking? Its like those people that join the environmentalist groups and then have parties in the forest (resulting in destroying the forest) Do you have a purpose? I mean, why are you talking? Newbies are not being discouraged by any means. That's tard, in fact, we are encouraging people to post more. Think of this for a minute before you spout more nonsense.. if there wasn't anyone to post in a forum.. who would go there to look at the forum? Think about that. For the love of God, just try thinking. I the lurker.. will probably NEVER ever post. Why would I? I'm there to look at pics. IF that person that is posting pics gets pissed off because no one is saying **** about his work.. he will quit that forum. What will happen? Will a lurker pick up their work? No. A POSTER would but who visits a slow forum anyways? People like activity.

50 posts isn't difficult to do.. the fact that people are lazy and spamming the **** out of the board is. Its quite easier to go to the JOKES forum and try posting there. People like contribution and those forums actually benefit from it. (In that the joke topic with the most 10's is awarded as the Person of the month)

Oh.. and check the ****ing list a few times. You will notice that guests are usually viewing Jennifer Love Hewitt or Alba. Maybe.. just maybe.. if they see a members only forum with a lot of posts.. they will get curious and post more.

WHY are people that never post in starlets or post very minimally *****ing about it?

haha amen brother

[M@tt]

Wow, we're finally finding some peace with this subject and then we get that from TrineX. I'm sure everyone who is in support of the rule who is posting in a civilised manner is very appreciate of your outburst. Well done dude.

yeah well, quit posting nonsense and I assure you no one would say ****. I'm tired of you ranting like a little slut about how you can't post in starlets. You can post in there but you don't. You never really did post much in there even beforehand. Yet you talk like you did. For ****s sake man, quit trying to be the unsung hero, you don't play the card right.

[Mat]

Originally Posted by Lobby

it's amazing really, i've gone to so many other forums with a post requirement and no one was ever as whiney as this forum

your telling me...thats FH for ya....