14 year old boy killed for asking to be a guys valentine. - Page 2

Scotty · 03-08-2008, 01:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Plastic Flute

So Scotty you think this only happens in America?
America! Fuk yeah! Oh Yeah ? FUK YOU!!!! Dont diss my Country.

Wait, wat?

Calm down a bit thar!

Scotty · 03-08-2008, 02:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Spin Teacher

It doesn't matter in that the kid didn't deserve to die. However if he knew the kid wasn't gay (I'm assuming he wasn't considering the reaction) it was just stupid to do what he did. Kids are cruel at that age, and at the very least he should have expected to be teased. It's not right, but I see crap like that all the time.

14 year old kids are a little naive.

I hope Darko will be my valentine.

Captain Beefheart · 03-08-2008, 05:12 AM

When I was about 14, me and a friend raided a newsagents and nicked the entire top row of porn, scooped hand at back, ran forwards.. bagged it and back to school to observe. This was 56k days and I was on 7 wanks a day on average. Desperate times. We discovered that one of the mags was some crazy gimp urine s!hit, double page spread in centre had some hideous pic, can't remember what exactly, but we stuck it up at a bus stop around the corner from a catholic girls school (replaced the map). Walked away to the sound of much shrieking... those were the days.

Kids today they aren't alright.

**Jocasta** · 03-08-2008, 05:19 AM

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Kids today they aren't alright.

Q:How long do you think young men have been saying that for?

A: Forever.

Captain Beefheart · 03-08-2008, 06:03 AM

Before Peter Townshend was caught researching kiddie porn and Josh Harnett went out and got himself a molestache?

The story itself is truly sickening, it makes ones stomach turn. This is directly linked to the low level of education people have and it's gotten to the point were one can only be desensitized by such stories. Hindus vs. muslims. christians vs. muslims, morons basing the old testament as the foundation of their faith, honor killing, kids with guns at schools. We all have the ability to be affected by our cultural surroundings up to a certain age when we've developed our sense of self enough that we have some kind of inherent sense of right and wrong, one would hope by the age of 12 must would have it. But yeah.

If there was truly a god, he would have pressed restart by now. That's all i'm saying.

**Jocasta** · 03-08-2008, 07:47 AM

Yes Beefy, I think I said as much in post #2...

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Tragic... it says so much about what's f*cked up in the world.

And Pete Townsend will always a great and we love the pornstache... every cool guy will be wearing them soon enough.

**Plastic Flute** · 03-08-2008, 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Scotty

Wait, wat?

Calm down a bit thar!

No. Where are you from ? I wanna know . so next time something happens there Ill phuck yea it. and dam your country and your peeps.
Dont tell me its Americas fault for that lil boy being killed.

**Plastic Flute** · 03-08-2008, 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Spin Teacher

Yeah, most girls in the school are heterosexual, but we have a growing bi community in the female pop.

Spin, I dig your honesty in what you witness, And as a male, your feelings on it. Its refreshing.

Restart Button Beef ? Man has FREE WILL ...... Thank GOD.

darko. · 03-08-2008, 11:57 PM

Scotty is from Scotland and he looks like the guy from Empire Records and he's a heavy drinker. or he used to be.

n00b

I MISS ABSTRACT! remember him?? he was cool

darko. · 03-08-2008, 11:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Spin Teacher

If I was 14, and a gay kid of the same age asked to be my valentine I'd probably slug the guy. (prepares for backlash) However I wouldn't think about killing someone.

If someone a grown man came up to me today and asked to be my valentine I'd probably laugh it off and say something like, "Thanks, but I don't swing that way."

It would depend on the situation though to some extent. I could see myself being upset enough in some situations to be aggressive.

***

Spin Teacher · 03-09-2008, 02:51 AM

It's good that you can use the quote tool, but why quote if you don't have a response to the quote?

**Plastic Flute** · 03-09-2008, 02:55 AM

Thats Darko lingo for yes"***" . ie. My name is Darko and Im A Dummy *** .

Captain Beefheart · 03-09-2008, 03:06 AM

The school yard/mob mentality is really showing up in this thread, let's hi5 each other. Right.

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Thats Darko lingo for yes"***" . ie. My name is Darko and Im A Dummy *** .

While darko isn't exactly a bastion of forethought and sense he's pretty much right on Spin being an ass if he took an aggresive stance to being asked to be sum kid's Valentine's at THAT age. I'd like to think that we have progressed as humans, but i don't know if we'll collectively ever be able to stop wanting to categorize evertying into tidy little boxes. and of course we all know what happens when things fall outside those box guidelines.

Spin Teacher · 03-09-2008, 03:18 AM

I'm not gay, so if I was 14 and a known gay asked me to be his valentine I would have been messed with constantly by classmates. By belting the kid in the mouth one time, I'd save face. Sorry but I wouldn't chance being teased nonstop through high school for someones lifestyle which I don't even think is right.

As an adult it wouldn't bother me so much. Unless some dude does something totally inappropriate I'd let it slide.

Captain Beefheart · 03-09-2008, 03:36 AM

You can't be serious.

You would club a guy for the FEAR of being associated with a homosexual? No offense, but **** YOU. No really **** YOU. People shouldn't be allowed to feel too comfortable with their own prejudices.

You can't be that dense Spin. This is sadder than Dane Cook rehasing jokes at extraordinary volumes. Sadder than the guest of Colbert months ago trying to dispute his "Science of Gaydar" and homosexuality being linked to certain traits like the positioning of the thumb in relation to the hand and a counterclockwise swirl in the back of one's hair.

Sad s!hit man.

Spin Teacher · 03-09-2008, 03:57 AM

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You would club a guy for the FEAR of being associated with a homosexual?

I didn't say I'd club anyone. I'd probably just one punch the guy in the lip if I was still some little kid in school.

I wouldn't do that now though, I'm 10+ years out of high school.

Captain Beefheart · 03-09-2008, 04:10 AM

Semantics, now you're just being redundant and dumb at the same time. It's a reactionary coward move with no merits behind it.

There's this false notion that homosexuality is right or wrong, and it's somehow up for debate within the public discourse.If you are discriminating against someone for the sole reason of their sexual preference or gender identity, than your wrong. There is no debate, you're just a bigot, and wrong.

You remind me of the type that gets all nervous about gays checking them out in the shower. It speaks volumes about how they personally perceive sex. They tend to be the hyper-heterosexually aggressive type, they can't understand that there is more to a person's character than just who they f!uck. most of these same people think that lesbians are awesome, because every woman they see is an object of their sexuality. Since every woman is either something they'd like to f!uck or something they'd f!uck but not tell their friends about, it's only natural to assume that every gay is either fantasizing about butt-f!ucking them or wouldn't touch their busted ass without a copious amount of cranberry-tinis, and both of those situations are confusing and scary to their frail little egos. Objectification is all fun and games until it's a straight man under the microscope.

Blackmask · 03-09-2008, 04:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Plastic Flute

So Scotty you think this only happens in America?

Wales - A 15 year old gay teen from South Wales killed himself by laying down on a train track because of bullying he received due to his sexual orientation, an official state investigation was told last week,

England - British 14-year-old Belinda Allen committed suicide because of gay taunting at her school, London's Daily Mail reported.

Canada - The identities of the homophobic bullies who taunted 13-year-old gay teen Shaquille Wisdom leading up to his suicide in October remain unknown.

According to some studies as many as 33% of gay youth will attempt suicide. Additionally, up to four times as many GLBT youth will attempt suicide as will straight youth.

**Jocasta** · 03-09-2008, 04:30 AM

What shocks me... no, it doesn't shock me, it saddens me, sickens me... is the complete lack of empathy for another person. Of course someone else's homosexuality is all about how it affects you, and what other people will think about you.
Beefy's explained this kind of aggressive reaction perfectly, it speaks volumes about the attacker. There's only one reason someone would fear this kind of association so strongly.

Captain Beefheart · 03-09-2008, 04:38 AM

I think we tend to coddle the racists/sexists/homophobes in society and make excuses for them. This allows them to still feel comfortable with their beliefs, because, you know, their bigotry is just a "difference of opinion."

I will not hold the hand of people who hold unfounded prejudices and walk them through their backward-ass thinking. That being said, in terms of dealing with die-hard bigots(i'm not directing this as Spin just a general thought), neither thoughtful dialogue nor vitriolic attacks are going to alter their perceptions.

Dealing with people who are "just slightly bigoted," or guys who are "cool with **** as long as they dont hit on me," it's better to call them out and take a clear stand that that's not acceptable at all. That atittude comes from a feeling of entitlement or superiority, and it's better to shut that down than work from within it. They might recoil initially, but if they keep getting the same response from enough people, it will reinforce that they are the ones with the problem, not the other way around and that's the REAL goal we should be working towards.

03-08-2008, 06:03 AM	#25 (permalink)
Captain Beefheart Mu nótahu Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: In a West End town, a dead end world Posts: 4,103 My Profile	Before Peter Townshend was caught researching kiddie porn and Josh Harnett went out and got himself a molestache? The story itself is truly sickening, it makes ones stomach turn. This is directly linked to the low level of education people have and it's gotten to the point were one can only be desensitized by such stories. Hindus vs. muslims. christians vs. muslims, morons basing the old testament as the foundation of their faith, honor killing, kids with guns at schools. We all have the ability to be affected by our cultural surroundings up to a certain age when we've developed our sense of self enough that we have some kind of inherent sense of right and wrong, one would hope by the age of 12 must would have it. But yeah. If there was truly a god, he would have pressed restart by now. That's all i'm saying. Last edited by Captain Beefheart : 03-08-2008 at 06:07 AM.

03-09-2008, 03:36 AM	#35 (permalink)
Captain Beefheart Mu nótahu Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: In a West End town, a dead end world Posts: 4,103 My Profile	You can't be serious. You would club a guy for the FEAR of being associated with a homosexual? No offense, but ** YOU. No really ** YOU. People shouldn't be allowed to feel too comfortable with their own prejudices. You can't be that dense Spin. This is sadder than Dane Cook rehasing jokes at extraordinary volumes. Sadder than the guest of Colbert months ago trying to dispute his "Science of Gaydar" and homosexuality being linked to certain traits like the positioning of the thumb in relation to the hand and a counterclockwise swirl in the back of one's hair. Sad s!hit man. Last edited by Captain Beefheart : 03-09-2008 at 03:44 AM.

03-09-2008, 04:10 AM	#37 (permalink)
Captain Beefheart Mu nótahu Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: In a West End town, a dead end world Posts: 4,103 My Profile	Semantics, now you're just being redundant and dumb at the same time. It's a reactionary coward move with no merits behind it. There's this false notion that homosexuality is right or wrong, and it's somehow up for debate within the public discourse.If you are discriminating against someone for the sole reason of their sexual preference or gender identity, than your wrong. There is no debate, you're just a bigot, and wrong. You remind me of the type that gets all nervous about gays checking them out in the shower. It speaks volumes about how they personally perceive sex. They tend to be the hyper-heterosexually aggressive type, they can't understand that there is more to a person's character than just who they f!uck. most of these same people think that lesbians are awesome, because every woman they see is an object of their sexuality. Since every woman is either something they'd like to f!uck or something they'd f!uck but not tell their friends about, it's only natural to assume that every gay is either fantasizing about butt-f!ucking them or wouldn't touch their busted ass without a copious amount of cranberry-tinis, and both of those situations are confusing and scary to their frail little egos. Objectification is all fun and games until it's a straight man under the microscope. Last edited by Captain Beefheart : 03-09-2008 at 04:12 AM.

03-08-2008, 05:12 AM	#23 (permalink)
Captain Beefheart Mu nótahu Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: In a West End town, a dead end world Posts: 4,103 My Profile	When I was about 14, me and a friend raided a newsagents and nicked the entire top row of porn, scooped hand at back, ran forwards.. bagged it and back to school to observe. This was 56k days and I was on 7 wanks a day on average. Desperate times. We discovered that one of the mags was some crazy gimp urine s!hit, double page spread in centre had some hideous pic, can't remember what exactly, but we stuck it up at a bus stop around the corner from a catholic girls school (replaced the map). Walked away to the sound of much shrieking... those were the days. Kids today they aren't alright.

03-08-2008, 11:57 PM	#29 (permalink)
darko. Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: shlums 'o shaolin Posts: 2,115	Scotty is from Scotland and he looks like the guy from Empire Records and he's a heavy drinker. or he used to be. n00b I MISS ABSTRACT! remember him?? he was cool

03-09-2008, 02:51 AM	#31 (permalink)
Spin Teacher Jr. F'ing Member My Ars Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 571 My Profile	It's good that you can use the quote tool, but why quote if you don't have a response to the quote?

03-09-2008, 02:55 AM	#32 (permalink)
Plastic Flute ICHiBAN HoOT Join Date: May 2006 Location: New Jersey Posts: 13,834 My Profile	Thats Darko lingo for yes"*" . ie. My name is Darko and Im A Dummy * .

03-09-2008, 03:18 AM	#34 (permalink)
Spin Teacher Jr. F'ing Member My Ars Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 571 My Profile	I'm not gay, so if I was 14 and a known gay asked me to be his valentine I would have been messed with constantly by classmates. By belting the kid in the mouth one time, I'd save face. Sorry but I wouldn't chance being teased nonstop through high school for someones lifestyle which I don't even think is right. As an adult it wouldn't bother me so much. Unless some dude does something totally inappropriate I'd let it slide.

03-09-2008, 04:30 AM	#39 (permalink)
Jocasta Love Charlie Babbitt Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Shaftesbury Avenue Posts: 18,609 My Profile	What shocks me... no, it doesn't shock me, it saddens me, sickens me... is the complete lack of empathy for another person. Of course someone else's homosexuality is all about how it affects you, and what other people will think about you. Beefy's explained this kind of aggressive reaction perfectly, it speaks volumes about the attacker. There's only one reason someone would fear this kind of association so strongly.

03-09-2008, 04:38 AM	#40 (permalink)
Captain Beefheart Mu nótahu Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: In a West End town, a dead end world Posts: 4,103 My Profile	I think we tend to coddle the racists/sexists/homophobes in society and make excuses for them. This allows them to still feel comfortable with their beliefs, because, you know, their bigotry is just a "difference of opinion." I will not hold the hand of people who hold unfounded prejudices and walk them through their backward-ass thinking. That being said, in terms of dealing with die-hard bigots(i'm not directing this as Spin just a general thought), neither thoughtful dialogue nor vitriolic attacks are going to alter their perceptions. Dealing with people who are "just slightly bigoted," or guys who are "cool with **** as long as they dont hit on me," it's better to call them out and take a clear stand that that's not acceptable at all. That atittude comes from a feeling of entitlement or superiority, and it's better to shut that down than work from within it. They might recoil initially, but if they keep getting the same response from enough people, it will reinforce that they are the ones with the problem, not the other way around and that's the REAL goal we should be working towards.

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