For 2 1/2 Hours today, I Know Nothing of What Happened

**MissyO** · 06-03-2007, 07:18 AM

Somebody please explain Mulholland Drive to me, cause that shlt did my head in. I loved the score and the pretty people, but what the hell???? Is David Lynch really insane? It sure as hell seemed that way to me. Yet oddly enough I really loved the movie. No, smartass', not for the love scenes.

SPOILERS IN WHITE

So the first part was all a dream, right? Or they were ghosts? And did anyone else think Camilla kinda deserved. Bltch was nasty.

06-03-2007, 08:22 AM

i tried watching it too but i too ended up confused. long time ago, as well. i forgot everything about it. good love scenes tho, eh? that never leaves ya.

**Bill5461** · 06-03-2007, 11:08 AM

There is a very hot looking woman on the cover of the dvd..other that that I haven't thought of renting it

SilverSpoon · 06-03-2007, 03:35 PM

MOVIES FORUM

**MissyO** · 06-03-2007, 05:08 PM

"I don't think so Tim"

The people in the movies forum are dull. I'd rather post it here.

**Jocasta** · 06-03-2007, 05:23 PM

I love how it's acceptable for films by David Lynch to be incomprehensible and yet other directors, equally as talented aren't allowed to be "art-house cool" because they also make main stream "Hollywood" movies. When De Palma goes for the non linear, non realism form he's slated, yet Lynch is adored.
Personally I like both. And why is it we need to understand art?

**Ophelia** · 06-03-2007, 06:32 PM

I don't that we need to undertand it, but when it comes to films I think I'd prefer to be able to follow along with the story. Now I don't care how bizarro it is, but I like to be able to follow it. but, thats me I'm like that with literature as well, which is why I stay far far away from Thomas Pynchon.

SilverSpoon · 06-03-2007, 07:23 PM

If you don't like Dune you're not a real David Lynch fan.

Samson The Cat · 06-03-2007, 08:03 PM

Oh. I know. I know (why didn't I see this thread earlier?)

The movie basically consists of two parts.

The second part (last 45 min) shows scenes from the reality combined with fears of the protagonist Diane Selwyn. The first part of the film is a dream world Diane lives in - with some fears as well. At first it's a perfect world to her where things go well that went wrong in reality, but the dream soon becomes a nightmare. So this is what happened (real part of the movie): Diane is an actress and she's lesbian with Camilla Rhodes (the Camilla Rhodes from the second part - the one played by Harring, who plays Rita in part 1). Diane is weak, she needs the support of her gf to gain roles and she's broken hearted to find out her gf is leaving her for Kesher. So she hires a killer (the blonde dude) for Camilla, but he doesn't finish the job - somehow things go unplanned, it's not shown how, but the Diane must know, as she dreams of the killer's inability (the scene where he kills the other dude for a book, then accidently shoots a woman, and has to kill a dude who's cleaning the corridor and also his vacuumer). On the party in the second part (this scene provides the most clues), Diane sees an actor dressed as a cowboy, an old Italian guy and an anonymous actress. She uses these characters in her dream sequence for different purposes: The Italian guy becomes a mob boss - he should explain why the role in "Sylvia North story" went to someone called "Camilla Rhodes", instead of the more talented Betty Elms - Diane's alter ego in the first part of the movie. Diane doesn't want to understand, that in reality she got turned down for the leading role, because she's bad. In the dream sequence the anonymous actress from part 2 is Camilla, as the real Camilla is Rita in part one. In the dream sequence it's Betty (Diane) who helps Rita (Camilla) - which is a reversal to how things are in reality (part 2 of the movie)

Kesher is tormented in the dream sequence, because he is the one that steals Camilla from Betty in part 2. He gets in trouble with the mafia, and is humiliated by his exgf, who betrayed her with the pool boy (which actually happened, as it's told in the party scene in part 2).

... what did I forget? oh the color blue: Diane should receive a blue key from the killer as a sign that everything went well. In her dream/nightmare she can't think a clear thought before opening the blue case (Silencio scene is very weird and must not be understand to the last extend, the only message is sometimes things aren't as they seem - a hint at that the last 90 minutes of the film didn't play in the real world).

The anxious guy from the beginning: he represents Diane's feelings of guilt - something bad happened here, he says. He witnessed the murder plot - or at least in Diane's fantasy.

The Diane in part 1: shows how Diane pictures her end. Notice the corpse in that part was played by another actress, so a figure is never double in any of the two parts of the movie - otherwise it would have confused the viewer. It's not clear, if Diane actually killed herself, or if she only wanted to see herself dead because of her guilt. Her dream sequence can be considered as the "the denial, anger and bargaining phases"" over her loss and her guilt.

SilverSpoon · 06-03-2007, 09:51 PM

That was interesting.

06-03-2007, 10:38 PM

Not really.

Samson The Cat · 06-03-2007, 10:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SilverSpoon

That was interesting.

I can smell the sarcasm. But see, when I'm in a hurry, I don't care a lot for verbalism and just squeeze out the points.

**MissyO** · 06-03-2007, 10:51 PM

Wonderful job of summing up the movie, Kitty.
You only got one thing wrong there Samson: The Hitman completed the job. We see the blue key on the coffee table, and you know what that signifies. Only in Diane's dream was he incompetent.

I actually watched it again last night. Wow. It's such an impossibly wonderful film. I ran out and bought it today. It's so haunting. I can think of few films that are so haunting and beautiful.

06-03-2007, 11:07 PM

Rent "Center of the World" like I told you earlier.

**MissyO** · 06-03-2007, 11:39 PM

What's it about?

Blackmask · 06-03-2007, 11:44 PM

I've never watched Mulholland Drive. I've seen the full series of Twin peaks a few times....yes David Lynch is insane. His brain is no place for the faint hearted.

06-03-2007, 11:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MissyO

What's it about?

The Center of the World:
Plot:
A couple checks into a suite in Las Vegas. In flashbacks we see that he's a computer whiz on the verge of becoming a dot.com millionaire, she's a lap dancer at a club. He's depressed, withdrawing from work, missing meetings with investors. He wants a connection, so he offers her $10,000 to spend three nights with him in Vegas, and she accepts with conditions: four hours per night of erotic play, and no penetration. During the days in Vegas, they get to know each other, have fun, meet a friend of hers; at night, at least after the first night, things seem to get complicated. Is mutual attraction stirring? Will they play by their rules? Can it be about more than money?

Samson The Cat · 06-03-2007, 11:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MissyO

You [...]You got one thing wrong there Samson: The Hitman completed the job. We see the blue key on the coffee table.

Oh. You're right. I feel embarrassed now.

Samson The Cat · 06-04-2007, 12:01 AM

something very far-fetchedly related:

Blackmask · 06-04-2007, 09:16 AM

I've never seen David Lynch before. He looks almost sane...except for the cow on a street corner.

06-03-2007, 07:18 AM	#1 (permalink)
MissyO Perennially Disgruntled Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Sydney Posts: 4,201 My Profile	For 2 1/2 Hours today, I Know Nothing of What Happened Somebody please explain Mulholland Drive to me, cause that shlt did my head in. I loved the score and the pretty people, but what the hell???? Is David Lynch really insane? It sure as hell seemed that way to me. Yet oddly enough I really loved the movie. No, smartass', not for the love scenes. SPOILERS IN WHITE So the first part was all a dream, right? Or they were ghosts? And did anyone else think Camilla kinda deserved. Bltch was nasty.

06-03-2007, 08:03 PM	#9 (permalink)
Samson The Cat currently without DSL :-( Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Thuringia Posts: 2,284 My Profile	Oh. I know. I know (why didn't I see this thread earlier?) The movie basically consists of two parts. The second part (last 45 min) shows scenes from the reality combined with fears of the protagonist Diane Selwyn. The first part of the film is a dream world Diane lives in - with some fears as well. At first it's a perfect world to her where things go well that went wrong in reality, but the dream soon becomes a nightmare. So this is what happened (real part of the movie): Diane is an actress and she's lesbian with Camilla Rhodes (the Camilla Rhodes from the second part - the one played by Harring, who plays Rita in part 1). Diane is weak, she needs the support of her gf to gain roles and she's broken hearted to find out her gf is leaving her for Kesher. So she hires a killer (the blonde dude) for Camilla, but he doesn't finish the job - somehow things go unplanned, it's not shown how, but the Diane must know, as she dreams of the killer's inability (the scene where he kills the other dude for a book, then accidently shoots a woman, and has to kill a dude who's cleaning the corridor and also his vacuumer). On the party in the second part (this scene provides the most clues), Diane sees an actor dressed as a cowboy, an old Italian guy and an anonymous actress. She uses these characters in her dream sequence for different purposes: The Italian guy becomes a mob boss - he should explain why the role in "Sylvia North story" went to someone called "Camilla Rhodes", instead of the more talented Betty Elms - Diane's alter ego in the first part of the movie. Diane doesn't want to understand, that in reality she got turned down for the leading role, because she's bad. In the dream sequence the anonymous actress from part 2 is Camilla, as the real Camilla is Rita in part one. In the dream sequence it's Betty (Diane) who helps Rita (Camilla) - which is a reversal to how things are in reality (part 2 of the movie) Kesher is tormented in the dream sequence, because he is the one that steals Camilla from Betty in part 2. He gets in trouble with the mafia, and is humiliated by his exgf, who betrayed her with the pool boy (which actually happened, as it's told in the party scene in part 2). ... what did I forget? oh the color blue: Diane should receive a blue key from the killer as a sign that everything went well. In her dream/nightmare she can't think a clear thought before opening the blue case (Silencio scene is very weird and must not be understand to the last extend, the only message is sometimes things aren't as they seem - a hint at that the last 90 minutes of the film didn't play in the real world). The anxious guy from the beginning: he represents Diane's feelings of guilt - something bad happened here, he says. He witnessed the murder plot - or at least in Diane's fantasy. The Diane in part 1: shows how Diane pictures her end. Notice the corpse in that part was played by another actress, so a figure is never double in any of the two parts of the movie - otherwise it would have confused the viewer. It's not clear, if Diane actually killed herself, or if she only wanted to see herself dead because of her guilt. Her dream sequence can be considered as the "the denial, anger and bargaining phases"" over her loss and her guilt. Last edited by Samson The Cat : 06-03-2007 at 08:08 PM.

06-03-2007, 08:22 AM	#2 (permalink)
Avis Phlox Posts: n/a	i tried watching it too but i too ended up confused. long time ago, as well. i forgot everything about it. good love scenes tho, eh? that never leaves ya.

06-03-2007, 11:08 AM	#3 (permalink)
Bill5461 Scarlett Mod Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Upstate New York Posts: 12,717 My Profile	There is a very hot looking woman on the cover of the dvd..other that that I haven't thought of renting it

06-03-2007, 03:35 PM	#4 (permalink)
SilverSpoon Kamen Rider Kiva Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: www.canofnothing.com Posts: 7,550	MOVIES FORUM

06-03-2007, 05:08 PM	#5 (permalink)
MissyO Perennially Disgruntled Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Sydney Posts: 4,201 My Profile	"I don't think so Tim" The people in the movies forum are dull. I'd rather post it here.

06-03-2007, 05:23 PM	#6 (permalink)
Jocasta Love Charlie Babbitt Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Shaftesbury Avenue Posts: 18,617 My Profile	I love how it's acceptable for films by David Lynch to be incomprehensible and yet other directors, equally as talented aren't allowed to be "art-house cool" because they also make main stream "Hollywood" movies. When De Palma goes for the non linear, non realism form he's slated, yet Lynch is adored. Personally I like both. And why is it we need to understand art?

06-03-2007, 06:32 PM	#7 (permalink)
Ophelia JOHO Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Joshtopia Posts: 7,245 My Profile	I don't that we need to undertand it, but when it comes to films I think I'd prefer to be able to follow along with the story. Now I don't care how bizarro it is, but I like to be able to follow it. but, thats me I'm like that with literature as well, which is why I stay far far away from Thomas Pynchon.

06-03-2007, 07:23 PM	#8 (permalink)
SilverSpoon Kamen Rider Kiva Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: www.canofnothing.com Posts: 7,550	If you don't like Dune you're not a real David Lynch fan.

06-03-2007, 09:51 PM	#10 (permalink)
SilverSpoon Kamen Rider Kiva Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: www.canofnothing.com Posts: 7,550	That was interesting.

06-03-2007, 10:38 PM	#11 (permalink)
Avis Phlox Posts: n/a	Not really.

06-03-2007, 10:51 PM	#13 (permalink)
MissyO Perennially Disgruntled Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Sydney Posts: 4,201 My Profile	Wonderful job of summing up the movie, Kitty. You only got one thing wrong there Samson: The Hitman completed the job. We see the blue key on the coffee table, and you know what that signifies. Only in Diane's dream was he incompetent. I actually watched it again last night. Wow. It's such an impossibly wonderful film. I ran out and bought it today. It's so haunting. I can think of few films that are so haunting and beautiful.

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06-03-2007, 11:07 PM	#14 (permalink)
Avis Phlox Posts: n/a	Rent "Center of the World" like I told you earlier.

06-03-2007, 11:39 PM	#15 (permalink)
MissyO Perennially Disgruntled Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Sydney Posts: 4,201 My Profile	What's it about?

06-03-2007, 11:44 PM	#16 (permalink)
Blackmask Protector of Inanity Join Date: May 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 6,158 My Profile	I've never watched Mulholland Drive. I've seen the full series of Twin peaks a few times....yes David Lynch is insane. His brain is no place for the faint hearted.

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Samson The Cat currently without DSL :-( Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Thuringia Posts: 2,284 My Profile	something very far-fetchedly related:

06-04-2007, 09:16 AM	#20 (permalink)
Blackmask Protector of Inanity Join Date: May 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 6,158 My Profile	I've never seen David Lynch before. He looks almost sane...except for the cow on a street corner.