Drugs

Samson The Cat · 11-21-2006, 09:32 PM

What are your experiences? Doesn't have to be the illegal stuff. What about alcohol, nicotine, caffeine, sugar?

My experiences (you can skip that part, as I'm more interested in your views on the questions above and below): A dozen times I have been drunk, but never enough to have a blackout. I didn't even manage to forget my worries for the while (I was thinking about them in order to see if I wouldn't think about them, since I was drunk - and I knew I was drunk). Caffeine doesn't give me really any feeling. It's just habit. Nicotine ain't my drug either. I'm glad I never smoked, and have a resolution that I never will, so I had to buy nicotine gums. Aside from the nauseating taste, it only increases saliva production. But a pi**ing mouth isn't exactly my definition of fun. I still have quite some of those gums left. If they weren't so expensive, I'd have thrown them away by now.

What do you think of those statements:

On the talk about legalization of cannabis:

The effects of smoking weed, including the risk of addiction, aren't worse than the one of smoking cigarettes. But it being not so dangerous compared to other legal drugs reduces the inhibition threshold for people to try it out. As a result more are affected by its health risk. Legalization would equal advertisement. Aside from alcohol and cigarettes, we'd have a third poeple's drug that makes our society less productive.

or in short: Media attention and mass use is what makes cannabis dangerous. If the number of people who tried out pot would be as low those who tried out heroin, politicians wouldn't bother making it legal.

On the claim of junkies that they can stop whenever they want:

There's this perception that drugs, especially the hard ones, create unbelievable amounts of joy and that deprivation of the drug creates unpleasantness/pain in the addicts that compensates those good feelings formerly acquired by using the drug. But there is no such balance. People who try out heroin usually don't get hooked after the first try, even though this is often suggested by anti-drug-campaigns. The users know they are not addicted yet, they liked the feeling, but it didn't live up to the expectations of the drug. As a result they consider themselves being stronger than others, think they can take higher amounts without getting addicted, since they felt so clear again after the first does. And here's when the vicious cycle kicks in. Alas the pains that come with a heroin withdrawal aren't just a compensation for the feelings of easiness that the usage of the drug had caused earlier. The body did better regulating the presence of endorphin-substitute by shutting down own endorphin-sources than it does opening them up again.

or in short: Fearmongering à la "take it once and you you'll be hooked for your life" does a lot of harm, as it's identified as a lie (people are persuaded to try drugs by others who tried them and who didn't seem to suffer from them). Because of this, potential users/first time try-outers perceive all warnings as hot air, until it's too late.

SilverSpoon · 11-21-2006, 11:02 PM

Batman doesn't like drugs, so neither do I. I'm not even sure the man takes painkillers after a night of busting criminal scum. Batman is the epitome of my moral beliefs.

R@H · 11-22-2006, 10:59 AM

Caffeine pillls and nicotine gums? Damn somebody better send you to rehab!!

11-22-2006, 11:06 AM

Must I read all bull he's writing or can I just turn this topic into something useless for my own entertainment?!

Pot's already legal here anyways

Samson The Cat · 11-22-2006, 11:36 AM

This is why I think you're annoying. I gave a topic and made the effort to give some opinions people could agree or disagree with and you want to destroy it.

Btw. I always thought cannabis was merely tolerated, not completely allowed. Like it is frowned upon and cannot be advertised publically - that's why the places are called "coffee-shops", right?

I'd really like to read what people on this board think about drugs. Is occasional use of soft drugs ok for some of you or do you prefer to have a clear, unclouded mind. Has anybody seen colors and shapes similar to the ones featured in the Milkdrop-plugin for Winamp (That plug-in rules!) because of substance consumption?

R@H · 11-22-2006, 12:00 PM

this reminds me cyn we still have to smoke the joint i have lyin here somewhere

11-22-2006, 03:24 PM

w00t.

It's legal, just not in big quantities

And I know I'm annoying, why else do I wonder around in this world?!

**open32** · 11-22-2006, 04:01 PM

I know im addicted to Caffeine. Im at Starbucks everyday.
Alcohol, not to much, but I was wasted last weekend.

I dont smoke.

Quote:

effects of smoking weed, including the risk of addiction, aren't worse than the one of smoking cigarettes

And thats why I would make them both illegal.

They jus had a few votes to legalize pot, none of them passed.

11-22-2006, 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by open32

I know im addicted to Caffeine. Im at Starbucks everyday.
Alcohol, not to much, but I was wasted last weekend.

I dont smoke.
And thats why I would make them both illegal.

They jus had a few votes to legalize pot, none of them passed.

Just in case you don't know this (must be an americans thing) You can actually make coffee yourself, no need to finance Starbucks every day

R@H · 11-22-2006, 06:05 PM

Drugs are bad mmmmmmmmkay

Blackmask · 11-22-2006, 06:19 PM

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I'm glad I never smoked, and have a resolution that I never will, so I had to buy nicotine gums.

Why would you have to go and by nicotine gum? Nicotine isn't actually the problem in cigerettes, it's the tar and various other chemicals that the do the major damage.

Pot's been decriminalized here also. I think it can be grown for personal use but not for sale. I don't use it though so not sure.

R@H · 11-22-2006, 06:26 PM

I smoke. And i never notice any nicotine.. i just like inhaling...(??)

Riz · 11-22-2006, 06:35 PM

Samson,

I haven't and don't do any drugs. I drink a very small amount of alcohol - but never enough to get drunk. We're talking a pint-a-week at most here. Why? I hate the culture, which runs rampant in Britain, but also because people overwhelmingly drink it to lose their inhabitions. I'd rather learn to do that through a natural process. I wanna be in control of myself and not have to rely on a drink.

I think the biggest problem with cannabis is that people think it's a harmless drug, not realising the effects it can have on the brain (look at Dutch people like R@H and Cyn for undeniable proof of the retards it creates). That, and the fact that it's a gateway drug in the sense that dealers purposely 'upgrade' cannabis users to more expensive drugs.

R@H · 11-22-2006, 06:42 PM

don't be so jealous coz its legal for us...weed doesnt create retards ..retards are born retards

11-22-2006, 06:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Riz

I think the biggest problem with cannabis is that people think it's a harmless drug, not realising the effects it can have on the brain (look at Dutch people like R@H and Cyn for undeniable proof of the retards it creates). That, and the fact that it's a gateway drug in the sense that dealers purposely 'upgrade' cannabis users to more expensive drugs.

Hey?! It may be legal here but I have never done drugs! And just in case you want to know, I'm not a retard, I'm actually rather smart! I just have better things to do than whine entire 'serious issues' on a -plain-for-fun- forum! You ppl just make yourself easy targets.. And since I'm human, and all ppl by nature suck, I just love taking advantage of that. So humor me!

Riz · 11-22-2006, 06:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cyn

I have never done drugs!

Oh, so you're just naturally retarded?

R@H · 11-22-2006, 06:52 PM

Riz Riz Riz you never learn

11-22-2006, 07:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Riz

Oh, so you're just naturally retarded?

You shouldn't be looking in the mirror when you say such things you poor baby. Don't demean yourself in such way

you disappoint me.

..I already stated in advance that I am no retard. If you'd tell me I'm mentally insane on the other hand, I'd agree to it. Has a nice ring to it, don't you agree?!

edawg99 · 11-22-2006, 08:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Riz

Oh, so you're just naturally retarded?

That was uncalled for. Lay off her.

SilverSpoon · 11-22-2006, 09:09 PM

My friend sat in class today doing vodka shots. I'm not sure why. Alcoholics are so unpredictable!

11-21-2006, 09:32 PM	#1 (permalink)
Samson The Cat Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Thuringia Posts: 2,278 My Profile	Drugs What are your experiences? Doesn't have to be the illegal stuff. What about alcohol, nicotine, caffeine, sugar? My experiences (you can skip that part, as I'm more interested in your views on the questions above and below): A dozen times I have been drunk, but never enough to have a blackout. I didn't even manage to forget my worries for the while (I was thinking about them in order to see if I wouldn't think about them, since I was drunk - and I knew I was drunk). Caffeine doesn't give me really any feeling. It's just habit. Nicotine ain't my drug either. I'm glad I never smoked, and have a resolution that I never will, so I had to buy nicotine gums. Aside from the nauseating taste, it only increases saliva production. But a piing mouth isn't exactly my definition of fun. I still have quite some of those gums left. If they weren't so expensive, I'd have thrown them away by now. What do you think of those statements:** On the talk about legalization of cannabis: The effects of smoking weed, including the risk of addiction, aren't worse than the one of smoking cigarettes. But it being not so dangerous compared to other legal drugs reduces the inhibition threshold for people to try it out. As a result more are affected by its health risk. Legalization would equal advertisement. Aside from alcohol and cigarettes, we'd have a third poeple's drug that makes our society less productive. or in short: Media attention and mass use is what makes cannabis dangerous. If the number of people who tried out pot would be as low those who tried out heroin, politicians wouldn't bother making it legal. On the claim of junkies that they can stop whenever they want: There's this perception that drugs, especially the hard ones, create unbelievable amounts of joy and that deprivation of the drug creates unpleasantness/pain in the addicts that compensates those good feelings formerly acquired by using the drug. But there is no such balance. People who try out heroin usually don't get hooked after the first try, even though this is often suggested by anti-drug-campaigns. The users know they are not addicted yet, they liked the feeling, but it didn't live up to the expectations of the drug. As a result they consider themselves being stronger than others, think they can take higher amounts without getting addicted, since they felt so clear again after the first does. And here's when the vicious cycle kicks in. Alas the pains that come with a heroin withdrawal aren't just a compensation for the feelings of easiness that the usage of the drug had caused earlier. The body did better regulating the presence of endorphin-substitute by shutting down own endorphin-sources than it does opening them up again. or in short: Fearmongering à la "take it once and you you'll be hooked for your life" does a lot of harm, as it's identified as a lie (people are persuaded to try drugs by others who tried them and who didn't seem to suffer from them). Because of this, potential users/first time try-outers perceive all warnings as hot air, until it's too late.

11-22-2006, 11:06 AM	#4 (permalink)
Cyn Posts: n/a	Must I read all bull he's writing or can I just turn this topic into something useless for my own entertainment?! Pot's already legal here anyways Last edited by Cyn : 11-22-2006 at 11:08 AM.

11-22-2006, 11:36 AM	#5 (permalink)
Samson The Cat Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Thuringia Posts: 2,278 My Profile	This is why I think you're annoying. I gave a topic and made the effort to give some opinions people could agree or disagree with and you want to destroy it. Btw. I always thought cannabis was merely tolerated, not completely allowed. Like it is frowned upon and cannot be advertised publically - that's why the places are called "coffee-shops", right? I'd really like to read what people on this board think about drugs. Is occasional use of soft drugs ok for some of you or do you prefer to have a clear, unclouded mind. Has anybody seen colors and shapes similar to the ones featured in the Milkdrop-plugin for Winamp (That plug-in rules!) because of substance consumption? Last edited by Samson The Cat : 11-22-2006 at 11:41 AM.

11-21-2006, 11:02 PM	#2 (permalink)
SilverSpoon Kamen Rider Kiva Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: www.canofnothing.com Posts: 7,550	Batman doesn't like drugs, so neither do I. I'm not even sure the man takes painkillers after a night of busting criminal scum. Batman is the epitome of my moral beliefs.

11-22-2006, 10:59 AM	#3 (permalink)
R@H Lovin' it Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 2,907 My Profile	Caffeine pillls and nicotine gums? Damn somebody better send you to rehab!!

11-22-2006, 12:00 PM	#6 (permalink)
R@H Lovin' it Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 2,907 My Profile	this reminds me cyn we still have to smoke the joint i have lyin here somewhere

11-22-2006, 03:24 PM	#7 (permalink)
Cyn Posts: n/a	w00t. It's legal, just not in big quantities And I know I'm annoying, why else do I wonder around in this world?!

11-22-2006, 06:05 PM	#10 (permalink)
R@H Lovin' it Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 2,907 My Profile	Drugs are bad mmmmmmmmkay

11-22-2006, 06:26 PM	#12 (permalink)
R@H Lovin' it Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 2,907 My Profile	I smoke. And i never notice any nicotine.. i just like inhaling...(??)

11-22-2006, 06:35 PM	#13 (permalink)
Riz The Inner Light Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 398 My Profile	Samson, I haven't and don't do any drugs. I drink a very small amount of alcohol - but never enough to get drunk. We're talking a pint-a-week at most here. Why? I hate the culture, which runs rampant in Britain, but also because people overwhelmingly drink it to lose their inhabitions. I'd rather learn to do that through a natural process. I wanna be in control of myself and not have to rely on a drink. I think the biggest problem with cannabis is that people think it's a harmless drug, not realising the effects it can have on the brain (look at Dutch people like R@H and Cyn for undeniable proof of the retards it creates). That, and the fact that it's a gateway drug in the sense that dealers purposely 'upgrade' cannabis users to more expensive drugs.

11-22-2006, 06:42 PM	#14 (permalink)
R@H Lovin' it Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 2,907 My Profile	don't be so jealous coz its legal for us...weed doesnt create retards ..retards are born retards

11-22-2006, 06:52 PM	#17 (permalink)
R@H Lovin' it Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 2,907 My Profile	Riz Riz Riz you never learn

11-22-2006, 09:09 PM	#20 (permalink)
SilverSpoon Kamen Rider Kiva Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: www.canofnothing.com Posts: 7,550	My friend sat in class today doing vodka shots. I'm not sure why. Alcoholics are so unpredictable!

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