King Arthur

JenniferNoble · 04-13-2006, 06:55 AM

meh presentation time again. i hate when i have to do it. especially when its about someone we dont even know if he ever lived!
Do you think the whole Arthur legend is true?

**Jocasta** · 04-13-2006, 07:25 AM

I don't know but there is something about Glastonbury... especially the Tor... it has, for want of a better word, a kind of 'mystical' draw.

SilverSpoon · 04-13-2006, 07:51 AM

Who knows...I just read a trilogy of fantasy books called The Fionavar Tapestry by Guy Gavriel Kay, and he uses the legend of King Arthur and the whole love triangle between him, Guinevere and Lancelot as part of his story. It's really quite nice. It's just a small part of the overall story (or the "tapestry" if you will) but still interesting.

Maybe there's some truth in the legend. That's how things usually happen on TV, anyway.

JenniferNoble · 04-13-2006, 01:41 PM

I find the Guinever and Lancelot part quite interesting actually. I'll try to find that book, thanks Spoon

Wolf · 04-13-2006, 02:02 PM

^I have a book on him it's pretty old though. Just do some research and don't plagiarise your paper though.

JenniferNoble · 04-13-2006, 02:41 PM

Plagiarism is not my style.

Wolf · 04-13-2006, 02:43 PM

^It could be if I gave you my paper on The King Arthur.

JenniferNoble · 04-13-2006, 02:47 PM

hmmm.

how you doin' ;)

SilverSpoon · 04-13-2006, 04:28 PM

One time my history teacher thought I was plagiarising on my paper about Freud. I was like "*****, shut up. Let's fight." And he kicked my ass.

I didn't fail the paper, though.

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I find the Guinever and Lancelot part quite interesting actually. I'll try to find that book, thanks Spoon

Yes, read it! It's awesome fantasy stuff. I don't think Arthur even shows up until the second book, though, but it's all good so that doesn't even matter. Everybody is so horny.

JenniferNoble · 04-13-2006, 05:05 PM

horny is good. they're all ooh look at me im so noble but in the end they all were a bunch of horny ba$tards :p

T-J · 04-13-2006, 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by JenniferNoble

meh presentation time again. i hate when i have to do it. especially when its about someone we dont even know if he ever lived!
Do you think the whole Arthur legend is true?

As with most "legends" there is probably some truth to it - the names/dates/events were probably different though.

JenniferNoble · 04-13-2006, 05:21 PM

hmz the dates i found in some books were kinda specific. they said a certain uther pendragon lived in the 5th century and that an arthorius got born in 470 and died in 542.
on second thought, people didnt become that old in those days, did they?

T-J · 04-13-2006, 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by JenniferNoble

hmz the dates i found in some books were kinda specific. they said a certain uther pendragon lived in the 5th century and that an arthorius got born in 470 and died in 542.
on second thought, people didnt become that old in those days, did they?

72 would have been REALLY old, but if a person somehow managed to avoid all diseases, wars etc. I suppose it was possible at the time - it would be extremely unusual though.

JenniferNoble · 04-14-2006, 04:28 AM

yea.. altho, he was a king so i bet he had enough fruit and vegetables to eat healthy and i bet he was in good shape. maybe it was possible. maybe.

**Bill5461** · 04-14-2006, 01:08 PM

All those Burger King commercials creep me out. Especially the ones where the king is in bed with other men.

solo1 · 04-14-2006, 01:12 PM

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Do you think the whole Arthur legend is true?

There is only one historical reference to a King Arthur, and he is mentioned fleetingly (in Geraldis Cambrensis if I remember correctly) as a minor northern king trying to fight off the hordes of barbarian invaders to which England was subject up until last night.

Everything else we "know" about King Arthur, the knights, Camelot (which was not Glastonbury, nor was he buried there), the lady of the lake, Merlin - it's all made up. However, as with most myth cycles, it is possible to identify central themes. For instance, as I said on a different thread, the Christian festival of Easter, ostensibly celebrating the resurrection of Jesus, is actually a much older vegetation and regrowth festival. There is a similar story in the King Arthur myth cycle, when King Arthur gets very sick, and takes the entire country down with him. Watch John Boorman's Excalibur (which, incidentally, was filmed about ten miles away from where I live) for a greater exploration of the mythical aspects of the King Arthur story.

TheMongKey · 04-14-2006, 02:54 PM

There's an interesting treatment of the Fisher King legend in two Tim Powers fantasy novels, Last Call and Earthquake Weather.

herbertlens · 04-14-2006, 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by JenniferNoble

hmz the dates i found in some books were kinda specific. they said a certain uther pendragon lived in the 5th century and that an arthorius got born in 470 and died in 542.
on second thought, people didnt become that old in those days, did they?

You mustn't confuse life span - how long a human can live absent any disease and accident - and life expectancy - on average how long people live when diseases etc are taken into account. Normal human life span is 85-95 years and been for thousands of years (living longer is statistically possible but very very rare - only 1 out of a billion people makes it to 115 years old for example) . Life expectancy in the 3rd century would have been much less than it is now, but living to 72 was certainly possible.

Did you know that the life expectancy is now over 80 years old for Japanese Women and in the high 70s for many other countries ? That's remarkably close to the human life span so things are getting as good as they are going to get (unless we use science to become cyborgs or something).

Cat · 04-14-2006, 08:38 PM

I just read something about him. A Norwegian writer suggested that King Arthur was the king of Norway for the last years of his life (while he was still the king of Wales). He was a descendent of a Norwegian king who conquered England around year 400 (if I remember correctly). After the battle of Camlan he was taken to Sunnmøre by his sister and that's where he ended his life (he was murdered just outside a cave where he hid his treasure, "Ringsteinsskatten" - ringstone treasure?). Norway's claim to fame? :p

Anyway, I love those kinds of legends. I don't know much about King Arthur though. I saw the movie, it was bad.

JenniferNoble · 04-15-2006, 11:50 AM

yea and it was way different than the 'origional' story..

04-13-2006, 06:55 AM	#1 (permalink)
JenniferNoble Lovely Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: the Netherlands Posts: 4,654 My Profile	King Arthur meh presentation time again. i hate when i have to do it. especially when its about someone we dont even know if he ever lived! Do you think the whole Arthur legend is true?

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TheMongKey Lemur fan Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: The U of K, baby! Posts: 114 My Profile	There's an interesting treatment of the Fisher King legend in two Tim Powers fantasy novels, Last Call and Earthquake Weather. Last edited by TheMongKey : 04-14-2006 at 02:54 PM.

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Jocasta Love Charlie Babbitt Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Shaftesbury Avenue Posts: 18,602 My Profile	I don't know but there is something about Glastonbury... especially the Tor... it has, for want of a better word, a kind of 'mystical' draw.

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SilverSpoon Kamen Rider Kiva Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: www.canofnothing.com Posts: 7,550	Who knows...I just read a trilogy of fantasy books called The Fionavar Tapestry by Guy Gavriel Kay, and he uses the legend of King Arthur and the whole love triangle between him, Guinevere and Lancelot as part of his story. It's really quite nice. It's just a small part of the overall story (or the "tapestry" if you will) but still interesting. Maybe there's some truth in the legend. That's how things usually happen on TV, anyway.

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JenniferNoble Lovely Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: the Netherlands Posts: 4,654 My Profile	I find the Guinever and Lancelot part quite interesting actually. I'll try to find that book, thanks Spoon

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Wolf The Elder Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 4,146 My Profile	^I have a book on him it's pretty old though. Just do some research and don't plagiarise your paper though.

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JenniferNoble Lovely Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: the Netherlands Posts: 4,654 My Profile	Plagiarism is not my style.

04-13-2006, 02:43 PM	#7 (permalink)
Wolf The Elder Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 4,146 My Profile	^It could be if I gave you my paper on The King Arthur.

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JenniferNoble Lovely Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: the Netherlands Posts: 4,654 My Profile	hmmm. how you doin' ;)

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JenniferNoble Lovely Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: the Netherlands Posts: 4,654 My Profile	horny is good. they're all ooh look at me im so noble but in the end they all were a bunch of horny ba$tards :p

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JenniferNoble Lovely Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: the Netherlands Posts: 4,654 My Profile	hmz the dates i found in some books were kinda specific. they said a certain uther pendragon lived in the 5th century and that an arthorius got born in 470 and died in 542. on second thought, people didnt become that old in those days, did they?

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JenniferNoble Lovely Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: the Netherlands Posts: 4,654 My Profile	yea.. altho, he was a king so i bet he had enough fruit and vegetables to eat healthy and i bet he was in good shape. maybe it was possible. maybe.

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Bill5461 Scarlett Mod Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Upstate New York Posts: 12,711 My Profile	All those Burger King commercials creep me out. Especially the ones where the king is in bed with other men.

04-14-2006, 08:38 PM	#19 (permalink)
Cat Bloomin' crazy Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Norway Posts: 1,978 My Profile	I just read something about him. A Norwegian writer suggested that King Arthur was the king of Norway for the last years of his life (while he was still the king of Wales). He was a descendent of a Norwegian king who conquered England around year 400 (if I remember correctly). After the battle of Camlan he was taken to Sunnmøre by his sister and that's where he ended his life (he was murdered just outside a cave where he hid his treasure, "Ringsteinsskatten" - ringstone treasure?). Norway's claim to fame? :p Anyway, I love those kinds of legends. I don't know much about King Arthur though. I saw the movie, it was bad.

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JenniferNoble Lovely Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: the Netherlands Posts: 4,654 My Profile	yea and it was way different than the 'origional' story..