The Olympics

farsighted · 06-03-2008, 04:29 PM

I'm looking forward to the Olympics this year and I recently read that they will be filmin a documentary during the events called "Let it Out" interviewing the athletes about their experience. I've always wondered what it would have been like to go to the Olympics and represent your country so I think this sound really interesting.

Captain Beefheart · 08-09-2008, 07:33 PM

Zhang Yimou = Da Gawd

You have to say, that kind of work could have only been done in China. The precision, and creativity, and sheer manpower...it was intimidating. They'll be running the world within my lifetime.

**Plastic Flute** · 08-09-2008, 07:48 PM

Communism doesnt work.
The only thing they will running is being the Kings of Pollution. plus the phuckers cant drive.Liberty Mutual is the biggest car ins. Company there and the logo for it is the Statue of Liberty.

Captain Beefheart · 08-09-2008, 08:08 PM

You don't have any idea what you're talking about obviously. I'm not a China apologist or anything in fact I'm repulsed by their shi!tty human rights and geopolitical policies, but strictly the nationalistic side they're just as scary as americans.

It's not a conspiracy theory to consider their future rise as the absolute supreme power on the globe. That is going to happen.

**Plastic Flute** · 08-09-2008, 09:43 PM

China facinates me.
In my opinion China should not be the host of the Olympics.
How come when I say what I feel. You always say I dont what Im talking about? Im not citing text.
You scared of Americans? America babies Puerto Rico .

If Push comes to shove . Fear will not be involved

Captain Beefheart · 08-09-2008, 09:57 PM

Because you're probably one of these people that shops at Walmart and looks at the labels "Made in China" and feels it's sum grandoise nationalistic duty to not buy the item. Which is ironic because you're shopping at Walmart in the first place but yeah.

Why shouldn't China be able to host the Olympics? Because they pollute? China puts out less CO2 per head than the US. Because they've commited human right violations? Who hosts the Olympics then? Australia should never have had its' olympics either if you were to look at what they did to the aborigines only two or three decades before.

Olympics are just about money, whoever puts the big check in front of the IOC gets to play host.

**Plastic Flute** · 08-09-2008, 10:10 PM

No.
Yeah I see the label. It doesnt make me happy. Hate it. Let The Chinese Protesters have a voice. Oops they cant.
Co2? They are burning Coal. What dont you get .Nm

Beef whats is your Country Doing ? Where do you live? From what I can tell ,you may be a reason why my taxes are going up.

Captain Beefheart · 08-10-2008, 02:04 AM

You read the labels, so predictable Hamelin.

Anyways I feel that I have officially and very easily won this. I have won. This is not pure evil, nor should it cease to be. I can't believe I have defeated you again but I did it. I have won once again. I look forward to reading your manipulative sentences explaining why I haven't won when I clearly have.

Goodnight and Good Luck!

**Plastic Flute** · 08-11-2008, 02:15 PM

True Coqui you won because you always win because you are a winner. And my answer is predictable. because I feel the need to predict your next predictable post.

Captain Beefheart · 08-11-2008, 03:30 PM

It's not about winning or losing, it's about exposing your hypocrisy based on silly prejudices you don't even understand or are aware of.

You're opposed to China hosting because of human rights violations, religious persecution, and basic lack of decency both internally and externally right?. Well guess what, they could say the same thing about America too. USA has their own Tibets all over the globe, as far as imperialism is concerned. Hell even NBC's parent company, General Electric, it's not so much a company but more of a small country, as far as economies are concerned, and they capitalize on weapons manufacturing and death more so than many companies. Are you opposed to NBC too? NBC is making a killing off of selling ad time, but we don't hear you being so critical of that. We don't read you being critical of America being a threat to the stability and self-direction of Latin America when they have no disernable conscience or boundaries of conduct.

This games are more about the Chinese people than their government anyways. Of course the CPC legitimizes itself by holding these games, but it doesn't ignore the fact that this a huge time for the Chinese people. To deny them this after their history is silly in my mind.

**Plastic Flute** · 08-11-2008, 05:21 PM

Im not a hypocrit, I do think that I am the only one here that feels you are worth debating. The guys avoid you.So I stand alone.
I am opposed of NBC. Lib channel. And I am Opposed of Russia hosting the 2012 olympics .

aloha · 08-11-2008, 05:35 PM

I don´t really care about the Olympics. and though that the germans mostly suck around there, why should I care?

Captain Beefheart · 08-11-2008, 08:49 PM

Next Olympics are in London, unless you're talking about the winter one's and nobody cares about those.

As for the empty vacuum dynamic debate, well guys care more about the actual sports being played rather than the politics behind the farse, they also were probably reduced to a puddle of sobbing tears when they heard the story about the little chinese kid that survived the earthquake and went back to rescue the other kids.

Anyhow the only "games" I care about are the football/basketball which are the only sports I can relate to that are being covered. If Spain wins medal in cycling, tennis or whatever, that's dope too.

**MSFixR** · 08-11-2008, 09:12 PM

Did you all catch the opening ceremony? Did you notice how much of it was the result of close coordination between hundreds of individuals? Could this have been done this way in any other country? The Chinese government treats its people like worker ants. But things are changing rapidly in China. The emergence of a true middle class and the fostering of capitolism will result in a totally new (and perhaps free) country in a few decades. At risk is the harmony between generations, though.

BTW, the Finns love the winter Olympics. They win most of the medals.

Captain Beefheart · 08-11-2008, 09:22 PM

I don't think any country will top that ceremony from here on forward. For sentimental value my favorite is still the Barcelona one with the arrow lighting up the olympic torch(still remember being glued to the tube watching that)

The blocked waves choreography was probably the dopest choreography I've seen EVER. The workers being treated like ants sounds like jealousy from other countries who couldn't pull that off. It's not absurd to think americans are the only one who took it as a pissing contest like putting a man in the moon, like China's backhanded "Hey guess what we can DO this with our man power, top that".

**MSFixR** · 08-12-2008, 06:19 AM

They can't get to the moon on man power alone; they need the engineers and production facilities and the mind set to accomplish that forty years after we showed them and the rest of the world how to do it.

If you want a less myopic view of China, talk to some recent immigrants.

Captain Beefheart · 08-12-2008, 07:23 AM

You're missing the point Fixr, you're a smart guy and that hurts me. I'm framing this in terms of "symbolism" and the impact on general morale/nationalism of both nations.

When the US placed a man on the moon it went WAY beyond just "technological" reasons or that idealistic "let's go where no man has gone before" complex. It was a priority for Kennedy to accomplish and he wouldn't stand for failure, which in that case meant either not actually landing Apollo or the russians getting there first. History is history.

Now let me paint a picture. Danish stepfather of 3 wakes up at noon, puts the TV and watches the opening ceremony. There's a 98% chance he isn't thinking "damn these commie chinks overzealous evil doers really have gone off with their propaganda blah, blah, blah". There's a higher chance that sort of train of thought might be computed in an american's brain, even more so when they hosted the same event what 10 years ago.

**MSFixR** · 08-12-2008, 08:12 AM

As usual, your point eludes me, Captain Beefheart.

Kennedy was knee deep in the cold war and being a politician from a politically adept family, he knew he had to do something to rally the country and show the commies who is boss after their triumph with Sputnik. It could have been building the longest domino chain but sending an American to the moon seemed to be just the thing to capture the American public's attention and that of the world. He was told (by former German space scientists) that it was doable. Lucky for him and the country, we Americans like challenges especially of the technological kind and we are good at it, very good at it.
Educated Chinese immigrants take a different view of the opening ceremonies and its reliance on conditioned, coordinated humans (I talked with two, one of whom is very defensive of his country and heritage). As visually impressive as it was, this type of display and the psychology behind it is one of the reasons they left their home.

Captain Beefheart · 08-12-2008, 08:35 AM

Point is people are cattle, we know that, and they react to these "events" and through history and with the help of the media they've painted pictures that will forever burn in people's psyche right? But let's ask ourselfs, 50 years after the landing on the moon, what's the effect, did Neil Armstrong spearhead sum big conscious proggresive movement like shifting the power imbalance that is mirrored in every relationship within our culture.

You can only exploit mass mediums so far while certain malignant organizations control the dissemination, you know what I mean. The moon landing and s!hitty cars will only go so far against credit debt, house foreclosures and collapsing healthcare. Houston we have a problem!

The totalitarian oversight and understones were repugnant no denying that, but let's be honest, while the chinese would thnk of something so acid as kids representing different ethnic groups of China handing a Chinese flag to the military(WTF!), America would have F-150 flying over the stadium to gve sum false sense of comfortism to the people. Both attitude and displays of power are just WACK. Americans are just more subtle about it.

**MSFixR** · 08-12-2008, 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Captain Beefheart

Point is people are cattle...

Agreed, and most are better off for it.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain Beefheart

...50 years after the landing on the moon, what's the effect, did Neil Armstrong spearhead sum big conscious proggresive movement like shifting the power imbalance that is mirrored in every relationship within our culture.

This is still the USA, not a satellite of the USSR.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain Beefheart

America would have F-150 flying over the stadium to gve sum false sense of comfortism to the people.

Having a pickup truck fly over the stadium certainly would be anything but comforting. F-16's would work much better.

06-03-2008, 04:29 PM	#1 (permalink)
farsighted Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 564 My Profile	The Olympics I'm looking forward to the Olympics this year and I recently read that they will be filmin a documentary during the events called "Let it Out" interviewing the athletes about their experience. I've always wondered what it would have been like to go to the Olympics and represent your country so I think this sound really interesting.

08-09-2008, 07:48 PM	#3 (permalink)
Plastic Flute ICHiBAN HoOT Join Date: May 2006 Location: New Jersey Posts: 13,378 My Profile	Communism doesnt work. The only thing they will running is being the Kings of Pollution. plus the phuckers cant drive.Liberty Mutual is the biggest car ins. Company there and the logo for it is the Statue of Liberty. Last edited by Plastic Flute : 08-09-2008 at 07:50 PM.

08-09-2008, 09:43 PM	#5 (permalink)
Plastic Flute ICHiBAN HoOT Join Date: May 2006 Location: New Jersey Posts: 13,378 My Profile	China facinates me. In my opinion China should not be the host of the Olympics. How come when I say what I feel. You always say I dont what Im talking about? Im not citing text. You scared of Americans? America babies Puerto Rico . If Push comes to shove . Fear will not be involved Last edited by Plastic Flute : 08-09-2008 at 09:46 PM.

08-09-2008, 10:10 PM	#7 (permalink)
Plastic Flute ICHiBAN HoOT Join Date: May 2006 Location: New Jersey Posts: 13,378 My Profile	No. Yeah I see the label. It doesnt make me happy. Hate it. Let The Chinese Protesters have a voice. Oops they cant. Co2? They are burning Coal. What dont you get .Nm Beef whats is your Country Doing ? Where do you live? From what I can tell ,you may be a reason why my taxes are going up. Last edited by Plastic Flute : 08-09-2008 at 11:18 PM.

08-11-2008, 02:15 PM	#9 (permalink)
Plastic Flute ICHiBAN HoOT Join Date: May 2006 Location: New Jersey Posts: 13,378 My Profile	True Coqui you won because you always win because you are a winner. And my answer is predictable. because I feel the need to predict your next predictable post. Last edited by Plastic Flute : 08-11-2008 at 02:26 PM.

08-09-2008, 07:33 PM	#2 (permalink)
Captain Beefheart Mu nótahu Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: In a West End town, a dead end world Posts: 3,904 My Profile	Zhang Yimou = Da Gawd You have to say, that kind of work could have only been done in China. The precision, and creativity, and sheer manpower...it was intimidating. They'll be running the world within my lifetime.

08-09-2008, 08:08 PM	#4 (permalink)
Captain Beefheart Mu nótahu Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: In a West End town, a dead end world Posts: 3,904 My Profile	You don't have any idea what you're talking about obviously. I'm not a China apologist or anything in fact I'm repulsed by their shi!tty human rights and geopolitical policies, but strictly the nationalistic side they're just as scary as americans. It's not a conspiracy theory to consider their future rise as the absolute supreme power on the globe. That is going to happen.

08-09-2008, 09:57 PM	#6 (permalink)
Captain Beefheart Mu nótahu Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: In a West End town, a dead end world Posts: 3,904 My Profile	Because you're probably one of these people that shops at Walmart and looks at the labels "Made in China" and feels it's sum grandoise nationalistic duty to not buy the item. Which is ironic because you're shopping at Walmart in the first place but yeah. Why shouldn't China be able to host the Olympics? Because they pollute? China puts out less CO2 per head than the US. Because they've commited human right violations? Who hosts the Olympics then? Australia should never have had its' olympics either if you were to look at what they did to the aborigines only two or three decades before. Olympics are just about money, whoever puts the big check in front of the IOC gets to play host.

08-10-2008, 02:04 AM	#8 (permalink)
Captain Beefheart Mu nótahu Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: In a West End town, a dead end world Posts: 3,904 My Profile	You read the labels, so predictable Hamelin. Anyways I feel that I have officially and very easily won this. I have won. This is not pure evil, nor should it cease to be. I can't believe I have defeated you again but I did it. I have won once again. I look forward to reading your manipulative sentences explaining why I haven't won when I clearly have. Goodnight and Good Luck!

08-11-2008, 03:30 PM	#10 (permalink)
Captain Beefheart Mu nótahu Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: In a West End town, a dead end world Posts: 3,904 My Profile	It's not about winning or losing, it's about exposing your hypocrisy based on silly prejudices you don't even understand or are aware of. You're opposed to China hosting because of human rights violations, religious persecution, and basic lack of decency both internally and externally right?. Well guess what, they could say the same thing about America too. USA has their own Tibets all over the globe, as far as imperialism is concerned. Hell even NBC's parent company, General Electric, it's not so much a company but more of a small country, as far as economies are concerned, and they capitalize on weapons manufacturing and death more so than many companies. Are you opposed to NBC too? NBC is making a killing off of selling ad time, but we don't hear you being so critical of that. We don't read you being critical of America being a threat to the stability and self-direction of Latin America when they have no disernable conscience or boundaries of conduct. This games are more about the Chinese people than their government anyways. Of course the CPC legitimizes itself by holding these games, but it doesn't ignore the fact that this a huge time for the Chinese people. To deny them this after their history is silly in my mind.

08-11-2008, 05:21 PM	#11 (permalink)
Plastic Flute ICHiBAN HoOT Join Date: May 2006 Location: New Jersey Posts: 13,378 My Profile	Im not a hypocrit, I do think that I am the only one here that feels you are worth debating. The guys avoid you.So I stand alone. I am opposed of NBC. Lib channel. And I am Opposed of Russia hosting the 2012 olympics .

08-11-2008, 05:35 PM	#12 (permalink)
aloha Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 18,383 My Profile	I don´t really care about the Olympics. and though that the germans mostly suck around there, why should I care?

08-11-2008, 08:49 PM	#13 (permalink)
Captain Beefheart Mu nótahu Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: In a West End town, a dead end world Posts: 3,904 My Profile	Next Olympics are in London, unless you're talking about the winter one's and nobody cares about those. As for the empty vacuum dynamic debate, well guys care more about the actual sports being played rather than the politics behind the farse, they also were probably reduced to a puddle of sobbing tears when they heard the story about the little chinese kid that survived the earthquake and went back to rescue the other kids. Anyhow the only "games" I care about are the football/basketball which are the only sports I can relate to that are being covered. If Spain wins medal in cycling, tennis or whatever, that's dope too.

08-11-2008, 09:12 PM	#14 (permalink)
MSFixR Science Boy Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Dante's Inferno, Circle 4 Posts: 9,076 My Profile	Did you all catch the opening ceremony? Did you notice how much of it was the result of close coordination between hundreds of individuals? Could this have been done this way in any other country? The Chinese government treats its people like worker ants. But things are changing rapidly in China. The emergence of a true middle class and the fostering of capitolism will result in a totally new (and perhaps free) country in a few decades. At risk is the harmony between generations, though. BTW, the Finns love the winter Olympics. They win most of the medals.

08-11-2008, 09:22 PM	#15 (permalink)
Captain Beefheart Mu nótahu Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: In a West End town, a dead end world Posts: 3,904 My Profile	I don't think any country will top that ceremony from here on forward. For sentimental value my favorite is still the Barcelona one with the arrow lighting up the olympic torch(still remember being glued to the tube watching that) The blocked waves choreography was probably the dopest choreography I've seen EVER. The workers being treated like ants sounds like jealousy from other countries who couldn't pull that off. It's not absurd to think americans are the only one who took it as a pissing contest like putting a man in the moon, like China's backhanded "Hey guess what we can DO this with our man power, top that". Last edited by Captain Beefheart : 08-11-2008 at 09:24 PM.

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08-12-2008, 06:19 AM	#16 (permalink)
MSFixR Science Boy Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Dante's Inferno, Circle 4 Posts: 9,076 My Profile	They can't get to the moon on man power alone; they need the engineers and production facilities and the mind set to accomplish that forty years after we showed them and the rest of the world how to do it. If you want a less myopic view of China, talk to some recent immigrants.

08-12-2008, 07:23 AM	#17 (permalink)
Captain Beefheart Mu nótahu Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: In a West End town, a dead end world Posts: 3,904 My Profile	You're missing the point Fixr, you're a smart guy and that hurts me. I'm framing this in terms of "symbolism" and the impact on general morale/nationalism of both nations. When the US placed a man on the moon it went WAY beyond just "technological" reasons or that idealistic "let's go where no man has gone before" complex. It was a priority for Kennedy to accomplish and he wouldn't stand for failure, which in that case meant either not actually landing Apollo or the russians getting there first. History is history. Now let me paint a picture. Danish stepfather of 3 wakes up at noon, puts the TV and watches the opening ceremony. There's a 98% chance he isn't thinking "damn these commie chinks overzealous evil doers really have gone off with their propaganda blah, blah, blah". There's a higher chance that sort of train of thought might be computed in an american's brain, even more so when they hosted the same event what 10 years ago.

08-12-2008, 08:12 AM	#18 (permalink)
MSFixR Science Boy Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Dante's Inferno, Circle 4 Posts: 9,076 My Profile	As usual, your point eludes me, Captain Beefheart. Kennedy was knee deep in the cold war and being a politician from a politically adept family, he knew he had to do something to rally the country and show the commies who is boss after their triumph with Sputnik. It could have been building the longest domino chain but sending an American to the moon seemed to be just the thing to capture the American public's attention and that of the world. He was told (by former German space scientists) that it was doable. Lucky for him and the country, we Americans like challenges especially of the technological kind and we are good at it, very good at it. Educated Chinese immigrants take a different view of the opening ceremonies and its reliance on conditioned, coordinated humans (I talked with two, one of whom is very defensive of his country and heritage). As visually impressive as it was, this type of display and the psychology behind it is one of the reasons they left their home.

08-12-2008, 08:35 AM	#19 (permalink)
Captain Beefheart Mu nótahu Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: In a West End town, a dead end world Posts: 3,904 My Profile	Point is people are cattle, we know that, and they react to these "events" and through history and with the help of the media they've painted pictures that will forever burn in people's psyche right? But let's ask ourselfs, 50 years after the landing on the moon, what's the effect, did Neil Armstrong spearhead sum big conscious proggresive movement like shifting the power imbalance that is mirrored in every relationship within our culture. You can only exploit mass mediums so far while certain malignant organizations control the dissemination, you know what I mean. The moon landing and s!hitty cars will only go so far against credit debt, house foreclosures and collapsing healthcare. Houston we have a problem! The totalitarian oversight and understones were repugnant no denying that, but let's be honest, while the chinese would thnk of something so acid as kids representing different ethnic groups of China handing a Chinese flag to the military(WTF!), America would have F-150 flying over the stadium to gve sum false sense of comfortism to the people. Both attitude and displays of power are just WACK. Americans are just more subtle about it. Last edited by Captain Beefheart : 08-12-2008 at 08:38 AM.