Nascar

[SMG Rules]

Anyone watch Nascar? Only 22 days until the Daytona 500!

[Val]

Eric loves Nascar. He is a Nascar man!
Probably I will post something in the auto forum ... but not now.

[edawg99]

NASCAR rules and I can't wait for the 500 and it will be the first time they will use the COT at daytona.

[SMG Rules]

I'm not a fan of the COT because they are much slower than the old car. I just hope that someone other than Jimmy Johnson wins the championship.

[edawg99]

Originally Posted by SMG Rules

I'm not a fan of the COT because they are much slower than the old car. I just hope that someone other than Jimmy Johnson wins the championship.

Yeah I agree I like the old car better. Not to mention the speed factor, the older cars looked better. Maybe someone else will win this year but it will be hard to beat Hendrick Motorsports.

[Captain Beefheart]

NASCAR is the worst sport out there. Cars plastered in advertisements driving around in an endless circle getting like 6 MPG. F that. It's not even the redneck, hillbilly fan base, the way that they market the sport, or the way they try to cast drivers into certain roles(is there anyamerican sports figure more romantisized than Dale Earnhardt, seriously).

The circuit itself doesn't really offer anything to the advancement of automobiles and competition. LeMans, JGTC, WRC, hell even Formula 1 are more interesting. Taking a Sunday to sit on your couch and watch Nascar it's like going to McDonalds on a first date. It's like the trailer park soap opera.

[SMG Rules]

Originally Posted by Captain Beefheart

NASCAR is the worst sport out there. Cars plastered in advertisements driving around in an endless circle getting like 6 MPG. F that. It's not even the redneck, hillbilly fan base, the way that they market the sport, or the way they try to cast drivers into certain roles(is there anyamerican sports figure more romantisized than Dale Earnhardt, seriously).

The circuit itself doesn't really offer anything to the advancement of automobiles and competition. LeMans, JGTC, WRC, hell even Formula 1 are more interesting. Taking a Sunday to sit on your couch and watch Nascar it's like going to McDonalds on a first date. It's like the trailer park soap opera.

If you don't like the sport then don't reply. It's as simple as that.

[Captain Beefheart]

Now why would I do that? It's a "discussion" forum.

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NASCAR is so totally a sport! NASCAR is so totally inclusive. It isn't at all an affect of redneck culture and their values. The people who win NASCAR are the greatest athletes in the world.

But you'd either have to accept that idea or acknowledge the social construction of the NASCAR phenomenon.

[edawg99]

NASCAR racing is great. Better then F1, in F1 the race is decided after 1 or 2 laps at least in NASCAR anyone can win at anytime. If you don't like it, you aren't a true racing fan.

[SMG Rules]

F1 sucks big time and I'm not the only one who thinks so(just look at the ratings). If you think it's easy try getting in your car on a hot day and turning the heat on full blast. Then go on the interstate and drive as fast as you can for 500 miles with no food or bathroom breaks. Do that and then tell me it's easy. There are a ton of sports that I don't like but I don't bash them because everyone likes different things.

Anyway I like Nascar and I'm by no means a "redneck".

[Captain Beefheart]

F1 has really gone downhills in the last few years, because of the modifications and the hegemony of Ferrari/McLaren but still it's a more prestigious circuit than Nascar. How many road races are there at Nascar, like 2 and Walking Glenn isn't even challenging.

Take the best drivers of all time from both circuits. Name just one, just one driver from Nascar who can be placed next to Ayrton Senna, Frost or Schumacher. There's no one pretty much. No one.

[SMG Rules]

Tony Stewart, Juan Pablo Montoya, Jeff Gordon and Robby Gordon are all great road racers. You could take the guys who run F1 and they couldn't keep up with the cup guys on the ovals. It's all in the different styles.

[Captain Beefheart]

So basically you're trying to tell me Jeff Gordon could stand next to Ayrton Senna? You can't be serious man. A man who won 3 titles racing against Ferrari, could drive in ANY condition, had probably the biggest edge/drive of any competitor in any branch of sports.

Do you know ANYTHING about racing and it's history? Do you want me to post clips and acess their abilities against each other, because trust me none of those guys you mention are remotely in the stratosphere of Senna, Schumacher, Fangio, Mansell, Fittipaldi etc.

You could take the guys who run F1 and they couldn't keep up with the cup guys on the ovals. It's all in the different styles.

Yes because we all know it really takes a warrior to drive at Daytona? Monaco? Interlagos? Forget about them, just snoozers. Please.

[edawg99]

Well everyone seems to want to be in NASCAR look at all the road racers coming to sport. Plus it's not hard to win races in F1 because the level of competition in F1 is zero. If you are on a big money team you can win a race no problem and do you think Schmacher would of won all those races if he was wasn't Ferrari I don't think so.

[SMG Rules]

Originally Posted by Captain Beefheart

So basically you're trying to tell me Jeff Gordon could stand next to Ayrton Senna? You can't be serious man. A man who won 3 titles racing against Ferrari, could drive in ANY condition, had probably the biggest edge/drive of any competitor in any branch of sports.

Do you know ANYTHING about racing and it's history? Do you want me to post clips and acess their abilities against each other, because trust me none of those guys you mention are remotely in the stratosphere of Senna, Schumacher, Fangio, Mansell, Fittipaldi etc.

I've been watching races my entire life so don't tell me I don't know anything. Juan Pablo Montoya(who came from the open wheel ranks) said himself that Nascar is alot harder to drive than the open wheel cars are. He said it right out of his own mouth man. I don't even know who senna, Fangio, Mansell are so I can't say if they are good drivers. All I can say is that the guys that I mentioned (Stewart, Gordon...etc) are the best in Nascar. I bet you anything Schumacher couldn't keep up with the guys in Nascar on the oval tracks. He would hit the wall 10 times in one race. I also bet you that Jeff Gordon would smoke him on one of the road races in a cup car.

Just because Nascar doesn't run many road tracks doesn't mean they have bad drivers. If F1 is so much better than why are all the drivers wanting to come to Nascar?

[Captain Beefheart]

Well everyone seems to want to be in NASCAR look at all the road racers coming to sport

Or perhaps it has to do with money? I don't know. I mean, it is an absolute fact that F1 is a more accomplished discipline, and that the engineering/technical aspect is second to none, that the cars brutally outperform a stock car, and that it has a far larger fanbase(nascar is mutually exclusive to America).

Plus it's not hard to win races in F1 because the level of competition in F1 is zero. If you are on a big money team you can win a race no problem and do you think Schmacher would of won all those races if he was wasn't Ferrari I don't think so.

Uhhh Hendrick Motorsports on line one. You should answer that. Nascar isn't different in terms of teams dominating and creating a hegemony over the circuit, it's pretty much always the same guys, race in and race out. Fernando Alosno won a title on a Renault, A FREAKING RENAULT! Not exactly a McLaren/Ferrari. Yes F1 has gone downhills in the last few years mainly because the FIA has made turned it into a mickey mouse safety training circuit. But it's still leaps and bounds above Nascar in history.

I've been watching races my entire life so don't tell me I don't know anything

You've been watching races for your whole life and you don't know who Ayrton Senna is? That's like me going "Yah hoops fan since I was born. Pete Maravich? Jerry West? Elgin Baylor? Never heard of them. "Lebronze James? "Ohh of course he's the goat" lulz.

Juan Pablo Montoya(who came from the open wheel ranks) said himself that Nascar is alot harder to drive than the open wheel cars are. He said it right out of his own mouth man.

Juan Pablo Montoya is a scrub, a driver who's made his name just from his outrageous personality. He comes from the Indy circuit which is a poor man's F1. Do you think a brand like Ferrari would trust Montoya to drive a machine worth 4 million dollars? Are you insane? It would be like comparing american major league soccer to Spanish La Liga. There's no color man.

All I can say is that the guys that I mentioned (Stewart, Gordon...etc) are the best in Nascar. I bet you anything Schumacher couldn't keep up with the guys in Nascar on the oval tracks. He would hit the wall 10 times in one race. I also bet you that Jeff Gordon would smoke him on one of the road races in a cup car.

You don't even know who they are, but they would smoke them on an oval race? Makes sense to me.

Anyways i'll let you in a bit on the golden era of racing. Late 80's/early 90's. This is as classic as it gets. Jordan vs. Magic, Ali vs. Frazier, Connors vs. Bjorg vs. Mcenroe, Marino vs. Montana.... and Prost vs. Senna:



Besides all the post-romanticism and mysitc of Ayrton, he was the only TRUE driver who can really be consindered to drive putting himself on the line in every race. Yes his driving could be considered "reckless" by conservative standards, but it wasn't, questioning his ethics would be like writing off Stravinsky because he wasn't a romantic composer. There's a crash towards the end which is very significal in the history of the rivalry, Senna goes into the curve(he already holds the line pretty clearly) but Prost "caughts him" sending him off, at the time Senna was leading the championship but he would lose. Next year karma stroke back and this time it was Senna driving into Prost. You can't script stuff like that.

And not to mention Senna was racing back when the grid would include men such as Prost, Lauda, Rosberg, Piquet, Arnoux, Mansell, de Angelis, Tambay.

I can't picture any racing in any circuit being nearly as thrilling. It's almost as if there is no real passion or drive to win anymore

If F1 is so much better than why are all the drivers wanting to come to Nascar?

Which drivers are we talking about? Drivers coming from driving carts, modifieds, sprints, stockcars, Let's put it this way, Valentino Rossi goes crazy and decides to quit Moto. What circuit do you think he will choose. A guy of his ego, wouldn't even get near F1 knowing he'd be humiliated and exposed just like he was at rally. Nascar is easy money. Same reason any basketball player would rather play in the NBA than in Europe(doesn't really have anything to do with the competitive level in most cases as the game overseas has proggresed a lot). Money, simple economics.

[SMG Rules]

Yes, Ive been watching/going to the races since I was three months old(20 years now) but I've never watched a single lap of an F1 race. I'm not going to argue anymore. I like Nascar and you don't so lets leave it at that.

[edawg99]

Yeah I agree, to bad there isn't more Nascar fans on this board.

[SMG Rules]

Originally Posted by edawg99

Yeah I agree, to bad there isn't more Nascar fans on this board.

I thought there would be.

[Captain Beefheart]

I've never watched a single lap of an F1 race.

You're backpedalling, if you haven't watched a single lap of a race then how do you contend Gordon would run circles around Alonso, Raikkonnen and company? There's no logic or thought behind that.

I like Nascar and you don't so lets leave it at that.

I'm not saying you can't like Nascar. For me I feel like a have a concious moral responsibility to tell people McDonalds is garbage food, same goes for Nascar. If people want to consume the product they do it at their own accord, but they've already been warned.