Euro 2008 draw. - Page 2

R@H · 03-31-2008, 02:24 PM

So what do you predict??//

Manu - Roma 0-0
Arsenal - Liverpool 1-2
Barcelona - Schalke 2-0
Fenerbache - Chelsea 3-4

Captain Beefheart · 03-31-2008, 04:34 PM

That's the CL tho:

Roma Manchester United: 1-2. Roma without Totti and the lingering 1-7 at Old Trafford. I would be surprised if they can contain ManU's buildup, if Robben was tearing Pannucci apart I can't even phantom what Cristiano could pull out against him. De Rossi and Aquilani will probably need the game of their lifes to get a favorable result. The only way I see Roma advancing is if they can get get a clean scoresheet and 2 goals.

Arsenal-Liverpool: 1-1. Pressure is on Arsenal to get on early and keep it tight on the back. Liverpool will probably play their highly effective, very well organized, feeding Torres to break and wear down Arsenal's CB's.

Schalke-Barcelona: 2-1. I will only watch because I wanna see how low we can go, Frank's already pretty much done for next season and there are rumors that if we lose in Germany he will step down and Guardiola will take over for the remainder of the season. When your best attacking threat is a 17 year old kid(8 goals this season, 3 in the last two games), and your defense is giving up 3 goals in the last 15 minutes to a relegation team well yeah.

Fener-Chelsea: 2-2. This will be tuffer than it looks but Chelsea will bag the away goals and put them away at Stamford Beach.

R@H · 03-31-2008, 05:25 PM

I think liverpool will win because even though Arsenal was doing very well against Milan, this is all Liverpool has left, Arsenal still has a shot at the premier league, and Liverpool does really well just not in the premier league

But a chelsea - arsenal semi final would be brilliant!

Captain Beefheart · 03-31-2008, 05:48 PM

It took a lucky bounce from Fabregas to beat Milan(6 minutes away from extra time). Arsenal with all their chances could only put Milan away on a lucky goal. What i'm saying is even tho they're a good team, they're probably the least effective to kill a match when it's needed.

Arsenal's bubble was popped months ago, it actually started before Eduadro went down, but after that it only got worse, all those ties pretty much killed their season. All the free-flowing, quick, multi-pronged attacking movements seem to be gone. Abeyador has really lost his form, riverting right back to his useless grinning self. Van Persie is well, always injured so you can never count on him. Hleb is one of my favorites, but not a prolific scorer and Walcott is not seasoned enuff to really count on him yet.

R@H · 03-31-2008, 06:29 PM

I think van perise is overrated, when he was playing against chelsea and he would come near the goal I would panick but then he would be way over. And he wasnt much good for Holland neither.

But thats the problem as well with Chelsea they mess up when it is important, it took the carling cup defeat to give them a win over Olympiakos, and after Barsnley they trashed Derby with 6-1. They needed to be kicked and slapped around all the time to preform well and its pissing me off. The only player these days who's always giving a 110% is Joe Cole if it wasnt for him.. Even mr Lampard is too damn lazy to preform well. And the formation of Anelka & Wright Philips just doesnt work....and when is Shevie coming bk?

R@H · 04-01-2008, 06:38 PM

oh u were close

ROMA 0 - 2 MANU
BARCA 1 - 0 SCHALKE 04

So Roma is out basically, no way they can beat manu at home. But Barca....it will be intresting

Captain Beefheart · 04-01-2008, 07:23 PM

17 years old. That's all I have to say, at 17 I was wacking off to my brothers Penhouse stash and this kid is scoring goals in the Champions League.

R@H · 04-01-2008, 07:34 PM

hes cute but barca - schalke is far from over

Captain Beefheart · 04-01-2008, 07:42 PM

Let's be honest, you'd wet yourself if you were within a 10 meter perimeter HAHAHA.

They need to score one to tie, and two to win withouth Barca scoring at the Camp Nou. I'm ont underestimating them but it will be really difficult.

And to be honest bias aside, we played like garbage. We could have sentenced the tie after the first 20 minutes and couldn't put them away for good. The second half was the usual physical meltdown where we give the ball away, can't clear any crosses, hold the possesion for more than 5 minutes and pretty much dedicate ourselfs to vertical passing without really threaning much. When you have Eto'o on the wing 40 meters out of his natural position and Henry can't break anyone down 1 vs 1 there's not much you can do but rely on "luck" and a breathtaking brilliant play(in this case Iniesta filtering a perfect pass to Henry and Bojan tapping it in).

The defense is in shambles. Abidal started out great but the last month or so he's been putrid. Anyone with decent pace gets by his back and he creates a disbalance for the rest of the team. Zambrotta aka Il Stafatore is cleary counting down his days.

I also glanced at the Manchester match and I thought the score was VERY misleading. Roma dominated and controlled the matched(Fergusson totally inept tactically WHAT A SURPRISE!). If Panucci has any sense of decency he would put his captain's arm band away and retire.

Mo · 04-02-2008, 10:20 AM

HOW BORING was the roma V Man Utd game until Ronaldo scored??
It was the worst 30mins or so i've seen all year...

R@H · 04-02-2008, 10:24 AM

I think tonights score will look like this:

Liverpool 2 - 0 Arsenal

Fenerbache 2 - 2 Chelsea

Captain Beefheart · 04-02-2008, 06:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mo

HOW BORING was the roma V Man Utd game until Ronaldo scored??
It was the worst 30mins or so i've seen all year...

You should watch the last 20 minutes of the last Arsenal/Liverpool match, it will really make you think twice about that statement.

Too bad for the gunners, they really deserved to come out with a result, it's not like I expect Liverpool to play free-flowing and "attractive" football but just hanging by with 10 behind the ball is just plain cowardice. I don't know how scoucers can look at themselves in the mirror and say "you know I really love the way we play".

Arsenal as stated before are probably the least effective team in Europe. Granted the ref didn't help when he ate up a penalty on Hleb and Bendtner blocking Fabregas shot on the line. Van Persie injured his thigh again, what a surprise.

If Zico manages to get Fener through they should build a platinum statue of him in Turkey.

R@H · 04-02-2008, 06:57 PM

Okay I dont blame mr grant or Chelsea players...because that crowd damn! I think chelsea played very well the first half. The first goal was a really stupid mistake...I cant wait for czech to come back sure he could of kept one of them goals out. Anyway I cant wait for them to play chelsea at home. Because stamford bridge is gonna be singing and cheering and im sure chelsea will get them in the end

Captain Beefheart · 04-02-2008, 07:09 PM

First goal is on Carvahlo, if you're going to play the offside trap so high you might want to watch your back, he gets totally caught by Kazim with a one vs. one vs. the keeper, there's nothing Cudicini can do on that play. And the second goal is a cracker from 30 yards or so out credit to the goal scorer for vindicating himself from his own goal.

There are a lot of really weird tactical decisions that left me at awe. Essien at right back, instead of Belletti, changing drastically to a more conservative 4-5-1 altho it's typical to play that way after you get the away goal. I think at sum point if you're going to play Malouda/Joe Cole you must sacrifice either Ballack or Lampar. They had Fener against the ropes after the OG and they could have really capitalized but Fener held up well till the end of the half.

R@H · 04-02-2008, 07:59 PM

true that.....

but they are in for some ass kicking at stamford bridge

Captain Beefheart · 04-02-2008, 08:17 PM

What I want is to avoid a Chelsea/Liverpool semi at all costs as scientists still haven't found a cure for insomnia and frozen gummy emo tears of fire. Zico is such a warm, gentleman, one of the biggest crimes in football history that he couldn't win a WC with Brasil(same with Cruyff with Holland)

Mo · 04-03-2008, 09:04 AM

Dam man get Rafa i want to watch football dammit...
But insaying that a big shout out to Bendtner for some awesome defending ;)

Captain Beefheart · 04-03-2008, 12:01 PM

I would never let a friend watch a Liverpool game, it would give a bad image to the beautiful game, and completely turn them off. Even Chelsea these days are adopting and attacking philosophy.

The problem with Arsenal as opposed to Liverpool is that they're so uneffective when in front of goal, you don't need to triangulate, play 1-2's all the time when a simple shot from the frontal line will do, all the tricate passing and possession doesn't mean anything if they can't score goals. Sometimes they get caught up way too much in playing beautiful which hurts them because it really prevents them from capitalizing on the final third. Hleb, despite being a phenomenal talent will never look to hit from distance. Cesc is still really not a Lampard/Gerrard when it comes to blasting one from outside the box.

If I'm Wenger I probably play Walcott as a RW since Hleb and Cesc like to play throught the middle so much his speed and if he can get through and place a last ball can really dent Liverpool's back 4.

Mo · 04-04-2008, 11:47 AM

I don't know what to say really most Liverpool fan i know just wanna win things & don't care how they play but Man Utd play good fotty & win things so we all know it can be done...
Now once again i have to wait to next season & hope
PLEASE 0h PLEASE we play football...

Captain Beefheart · 04-04-2008, 12:45 PM

Barcelona was the last team to actually win and play great at the same time. It's not even about money and sucess, just yesterday in the UEFA Cup a middle table team from Spain(Getafe) which is composed mostly of loaned players(Granero, De La Red) and a bunch of veterans and outcasts gave the mercenaries from Munich a tactical bath in the second half of the game add to that playing with a makeshift defense.

I don't really think there's any moral obligation to play aesthetically beautiful and pleasing, yet at the same time I wouldn't watch Liverpool. Gerrard himself is pretty exemplary of Liverpool's identity and philosophy. He isn't a marvelous, prodigious, exquisite player on the ball and more of a direct player.

03-31-2008, 04:34 PM	#22 (permalink)
Captain Beefheart Mu nótahu Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: In a West End town, a dead end world Posts: 4,110 My Profile	That's the CL tho: Roma Manchester United: 1-2. Roma without Totti and the lingering 1-7 at Old Trafford. I would be surprised if they can contain ManU's buildup, if Robben was tearing Pannucci apart I can't even phantom what Cristiano could pull out against him. De Rossi and Aquilani will probably need the game of their lifes to get a favorable result. The only way I see Roma advancing is if they can get get a clean scoresheet and 2 goals. Arsenal-Liverpool: 1-1. Pressure is on Arsenal to get on early and keep it tight on the back. Liverpool will probably play their highly effective, very well organized, feeding Torres to break and wear down Arsenal's CB's. Schalke-Barcelona: 2-1. I will only watch because I wanna see how low we can go, Frank's already pretty much done for next season and there are rumors that if we lose in Germany he will step down and Guardiola will take over for the remainder of the season. When your best attacking threat is a 17 year old kid(8 goals this season, 3 in the last two games), and your defense is giving up 3 goals in the last 15 minutes to a relegation team well yeah. Fener-Chelsea: 2-2. This will be tuffer than it looks but Chelsea will bag the away goals and put them away at Stamford Beach. Last edited by Captain Beefheart : 03-31-2008 at 04:36 PM.

03-31-2008, 05:48 PM	#24 (permalink)
Captain Beefheart Mu nótahu Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: In a West End town, a dead end world Posts: 4,110 My Profile	It took a lucky bounce from Fabregas to beat Milan(6 minutes away from extra time). Arsenal with all their chances could only put Milan away on a lucky goal. What i'm saying is even tho they're a good team, they're probably the least effective to kill a match when it's needed. Arsenal's bubble was popped months ago, it actually started before Eduadro went down, but after that it only got worse, all those ties pretty much killed their season. All the free-flowing, quick, multi-pronged attacking movements seem to be gone. Abeyador has really lost his form, riverting right back to his useless grinning self. Van Persie is well, always injured so you can never count on him. Hleb is one of my favorites, but not a prolific scorer and Walcott is not seasoned enuff to really count on him yet. Last edited by Captain Beefheart : 03-31-2008 at 05:49 PM.

04-01-2008, 07:23 PM	#27 (permalink)
Captain Beefheart Mu nótahu Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: In a West End town, a dead end world Posts: 4,110 My Profile	17 years old. That's all I have to say, at 17 I was wacking off to my brothers Penhouse stash and this kid is scoring goals in the Champions League. Last edited by Captain Beefheart : 04-02-2008 at 04:01 AM.

04-01-2008, 07:42 PM	#29 (permalink)
Captain Beefheart Mu nótahu Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: In a West End town, a dead end world Posts: 4,110 My Profile	Let's be honest, you'd wet yourself if you were within a 10 meter perimeter HAHAHA. They need to score one to tie, and two to win withouth Barca scoring at the Camp Nou. I'm ont underestimating them but it will be really difficult. And to be honest bias aside, we played like garbage. We could have sentenced the tie after the first 20 minutes and couldn't put them away for good. The second half was the usual physical meltdown where we give the ball away, can't clear any crosses, hold the possesion for more than 5 minutes and pretty much dedicate ourselfs to vertical passing without really threaning much. When you have Eto'o on the wing 40 meters out of his natural position and Henry can't break anyone down 1 vs 1 there's not much you can do but rely on "luck" and a breathtaking brilliant play(in this case Iniesta filtering a perfect pass to Henry and Bojan tapping it in). The defense is in shambles. Abidal started out great but the last month or so he's been putrid. Anyone with decent pace gets by his back and he creates a disbalance for the rest of the team. Zambrotta aka Il Stafatore is cleary counting down his days. I also glanced at the Manchester match and I thought the score was VERY misleading. Roma dominated and controlled the matched(Fergusson totally inept tactically WHAT A SURPRISE!). If Panucci has any sense of decency he would put his captain's arm band away and retire. Last edited by Captain Beefheart : 04-01-2008 at 07:47 PM.

04-02-2008, 07:09 PM	#34 (permalink)
Captain Beefheart Mu nótahu Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: In a West End town, a dead end world Posts: 4,110 My Profile	First goal is on Carvahlo, if you're going to play the offside trap so high you might want to watch your back, he gets totally caught by Kazim with a one vs. one vs. the keeper, there's nothing Cudicini can do on that play. And the second goal is a cracker from 30 yards or so out credit to the goal scorer for vindicating himself from his own goal. There are a lot of really weird tactical decisions that left me at awe. Essien at right back, instead of Belletti, changing drastically to a more conservative 4-5-1 altho it's typical to play that way after you get the away goal. I think at sum point if you're going to play Malouda/Joe Cole you must sacrifice either Ballack or Lampar. They had Fener against the ropes after the OG and they could have really capitalized but Fener held up well till the end of the half. Last edited by Captain Beefheart : 04-02-2008 at 07:12 PM.

03-31-2008, 02:24 PM	#21 (permalink)
R@H Lovin' it Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 2,907 My Profile	So what do you predict??// Manu - Roma 0-0 Arsenal - Liverpool 1-2 Barcelona - Schalke 2-0 Fenerbache - Chelsea 3-4

03-31-2008, 05:25 PM	#23 (permalink)
R@H Lovin' it Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 2,907 My Profile	I think liverpool will win because even though Arsenal was doing very well against Milan, this is all Liverpool has left, Arsenal still has a shot at the premier league, and Liverpool does really well just not in the premier league But a chelsea - arsenal semi final would be brilliant!

03-31-2008, 06:29 PM	#25 (permalink)
R@H Lovin' it Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 2,907 My Profile	I think van perise is overrated, when he was playing against chelsea and he would come near the goal I would panick but then he would be way over. And he wasnt much good for Holland neither. But thats the problem as well with Chelsea they mess up when it is important, it took the carling cup defeat to give them a win over Olympiakos, and after Barsnley they trashed Derby with 6-1. They needed to be kicked and slapped around all the time to preform well and its pissing me off. The only player these days who's always giving a 110% is Joe Cole if it wasnt for him.. Even mr Lampard is too damn lazy to preform well. And the formation of Anelka & Wright Philips just doesnt work....and when is Shevie coming bk?

04-01-2008, 06:38 PM	#26 (permalink)
R@H Lovin' it Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 2,907 My Profile	oh u were close ROMA 0 - 2 MANU BARCA 1 - 0 SCHALKE 04 So Roma is out basically, no way they can beat manu at home. But Barca....it will be intresting

04-01-2008, 07:34 PM	#28 (permalink)
R@H Lovin' it Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 2,907 My Profile	hes cute but barca - schalke is far from over

04-02-2008, 10:20 AM	#30 (permalink)
Mo LH/FH.Com 0ld Skool Join Date: May 2000 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 1,449 My Profile	HOW BORING was the roma V Man Utd game until Ronaldo scored?? It was the worst 30mins or so i've seen all year...

04-02-2008, 10:24 AM	#31 (permalink)
R@H Lovin' it Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 2,907 My Profile	I think tonights score will look like this: Liverpool 2 - 0 Arsenal Fenerbache 2 - 2 Chelsea

04-02-2008, 06:57 PM	#33 (permalink)
R@H Lovin' it Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 2,907 My Profile	Okay I dont blame mr grant or Chelsea players...because that crowd damn! I think chelsea played very well the first half. The first goal was a really stupid mistake...I cant wait for czech to come back sure he could of kept one of them goals out. Anyway I cant wait for them to play chelsea at home. Because stamford bridge is gonna be singing and cheering and im sure chelsea will get them in the end

04-02-2008, 07:59 PM	#35 (permalink)
R@H Lovin' it Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 2,907 My Profile	true that..... but they are in for some ass kicking at stamford bridge

04-02-2008, 08:17 PM	#36 (permalink)
Captain Beefheart Mu nótahu Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: In a West End town, a dead end world Posts: 4,110 My Profile	What I want is to avoid a Chelsea/Liverpool semi at all costs as scientists still haven't found a cure for insomnia and frozen gummy emo tears of fire. Zico is such a warm, gentleman, one of the biggest crimes in football history that he couldn't win a WC with Brasil(same with Cruyff with Holland)

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04-03-2008, 09:04 AM	#37 (permalink)
Mo LH/FH.Com 0ld Skool Join Date: May 2000 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 1,449 My Profile	Dam man get Rafa i want to watch football dammit... But insaying that a big shout out to Bendtner for some awesome defending ;)

04-03-2008, 12:01 PM	#38 (permalink)
Captain Beefheart Mu nótahu Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: In a West End town, a dead end world Posts: 4,110 My Profile	I would never let a friend watch a Liverpool game, it would give a bad image to the beautiful game, and completely turn them off. Even Chelsea these days are adopting and attacking philosophy. The problem with Arsenal as opposed to Liverpool is that they're so uneffective when in front of goal, you don't need to triangulate, play 1-2's all the time when a simple shot from the frontal line will do, all the tricate passing and possession doesn't mean anything if they can't score goals. Sometimes they get caught up way too much in playing beautiful which hurts them because it really prevents them from capitalizing on the final third. Hleb, despite being a phenomenal talent will never look to hit from distance. Cesc is still really not a Lampard/Gerrard when it comes to blasting one from outside the box. If I'm Wenger I probably play Walcott as a RW since Hleb and Cesc like to play throught the middle so much his speed and if he can get through and place a last ball can really dent Liverpool's back 4. Last edited by Captain Beefheart : 04-03-2008 at 12:05 PM.

04-04-2008, 11:47 AM	#39 (permalink)
Mo LH/FH.Com 0ld Skool Join Date: May 2000 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 1,449 My Profile	I don't know what to say really most Liverpool fan i know just wanna win things & don't care how they play but Man Utd play good fotty & win things so we all know it can be done... Now once again i have to wait to next season & hope PLEASE 0h PLEASE we play football...

04-04-2008, 12:45 PM	#40 (permalink)
Captain Beefheart Mu nótahu Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: In a West End town, a dead end world Posts: 4,110 My Profile	Barcelona was the last team to actually win and play great at the same time. It's not even about money and sucess, just yesterday in the UEFA Cup a middle table team from Spain(Getafe) which is composed mostly of loaned players(Granero, De La Red) and a bunch of veterans and outcasts gave the mercenaries from Munich a tactical bath in the second half of the game add to that playing with a makeshift defense. I don't really think there's any moral obligation to play aesthetically beautiful and pleasing, yet at the same time I wouldn't watch Liverpool. Gerrard himself is pretty exemplary of Liverpool's identity and philosophy. He isn't a marvelous, prodigious, exquisite player on the ball and more of a direct player. Last edited by Captain Beefheart : 04-04-2008 at 02:01 PM.