Thoughts on 11/26 Raw

Mat · 11-27-2007, 12:20 AM

TRIPLE H & JEFF HARDY vs. UMAGA & SNITSKY I missed most of this match as I was watching "Samantha Who". HHH/Hardy at Armageddon should be good. I hope HHH puts him over.

HACKSAW DUGGAN & SUPER CRAZY & HARDCORE HOLLY & CODY RHODES vs. CADE & MURDOCH & ROBBIE & RORY HIGHLANDERS Time filler

CHRIS JERICHO vs. SANTINO MARELLA Damn I missed Jericho. He looked good in the ring. I wasnt that impressed with his new finisher though.

MR. KENNEDY vs. BRIAN KENDRICK No.....

MICKIE JAMES vs. MELINA Not their best match. Both looked hotter then usual for some reason.

RANDY ORTON vs. RIC FLAIR Basic tv match but good drama. I figured something would happen for Flair to win. Cool.

Overall Raw was ok. I enjoyed it for the most part.

**SMG Rules** · 11-27-2007, 12:41 AM

I didn't really like the Y2J/Santino match that much because Santino couldn't wrestle if his life depended on it and he made Y2J look bad. The new finisher is really lame. Orton and Y2J are gonna have a hell of a match whenever it happens.

The WWE is taking every chance they get to make Carltio look stupid and thats not cool. I can't stand hacksaw and he should have retired 10 years ago. All he does is yell USA and HOOOOO the entire match.

I'm waiting on My girl Candice to return. Anyone know when that will be?

Mat · 11-27-2007, 12:44 AM

No idea about Candice's return, should be a few weeks now. Santino was ok on the mic but he needs to be let go already.

I forgot about Carlito. It was kinda funny but it does make him look bad. I am not surprised. I think he deserves much more.

**SMG Rules** · 11-27-2007, 01:36 AM

Triple H needs to let Hardy win at the PPV. HHH doesn't need anything but a clean win over The Game would make Hardy one of the top guys on Raw. I won't kill HHH to lose a match.

Mat · 11-27-2007, 01:42 AM

Yeah but did you see the promo he cut tonight between him & hardy? He still makes it clear in character and in truth, he is the best period.

I dont believe it but whatever :p

**SMG Rules** · 11-27-2007, 02:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Mat

Yeah but did you see the promo he cut tonight between him & hardy? He still makes it clear in character and in truth, he is the best period.

I dont believe it but whatever :p

I saw that and it will be a really good match. Hardy shoudn't have to lose just because it's HHH.

rlm · 11-27-2007, 05:05 AM

you know i would have to agree. why are they making carlito look stupid? he deserves better. but then again if he's upset being there why doesn't he just refuse to do these stupid spots with hornswaggle and quite already. i think Y2J's new finishing move would have looked better if it had been done with a better opponant. overall a decent raw.

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looks like sabu missed his opportunity to shine again in TNA.
Former WWE Superstar Sabu was booked to appear at the TNA iMPACT tapings two weeks ago, but didn't make it because he missed his flight.

Sabu was supposed to come in and save Abyss from an attack from Black Reign and Rellik. TNA instead gave the spot to Rhino. Sabu was also set to work the next night's iMPACT tapings, but by then TNA had already shot new angles and the general feeling was that they didn't need him anymore.

The company had long-term plans for Sabu, but it won't be until after the Turning Point pay-per-view in December if they decide to bring him back in or not.

The original plan for Ric Flair's WrestleMania run (which would lead into a retirement angle) would have him wrestle on all three brands. The idea was pitched to creative by Steve Austin.

While plans are always subject to change, the current plan is for Edge to win the WWE World Heavyweight Championship at Armageddon.

It has been all but confirmed that Carlito is leaving WWE. He recently gave his notice and he is expected to finish up with the company sometime in December.

No details have come out yet regarding his contract term, which would obviously prevent him from jumping to TNA right away. For the duration of the deal, they'll probably let him work wherever he wants except TNA, so the duration of the rest of the current deal is key here.

Carlito hasn't been happy since around WrestleMania. At times, agents have praised his work, but the feeling is that he only does enough to get by, but not enough to excel. Also, WWE officials weren't happy with an interview he did during the week of WrestleMania where he complained about being left off of the card.

Carlito is booked to appear at a big wrestling show in Puerto Rico on January 6. AAA in Mexico is also trying to land him.

Sources within the WWE locker room say that Triple H ultimately wants to work as a heel in the company and eventually feud with John Cena. However, with Cena not being able to work next year’s WrestleMania, there has been an idea at least talked about of Triple H turning on Shawn Michaels to headline the big event.

Speaking of Shawn Michaels, he has been telling a lot of people lately that he sees a lot of himself in Randy Orton when he was Orton’s age. Whether or not Michaels is implicating that Orton is a jerk (which Michaels will admit to being then) is unknown but HBK has said that he has seen Orton improving for the better.

Former WCW and WWF superstar Sid Vicious appeared on the Live Audio Wrestling radio show last night. Vicious confirmed rumors that he is hoping to make a return to WWE. Vicious said he had been in talks with Vince McMahon. "We have been talking for awhile now, and we are trying to get things worked out," Vicious said. When asked about possibly joining TNA, Vicious said the company is unable to help him reach his many goals including wrestling in front of 80,000 fans again.

RAW Dark Matches & WWE Heat Taping:

Vladimir Kozlov defeated Marty Garner

Charlie Haas defeated Paul London

Carlito defeated Christian York

Jillian defeated Maria

Chris Jericho's new finishing move is called ‘The Code Breaker’. He drops his opponents face down across his own knee.

Mo · 11-27-2007, 08:11 AM

What HHH has already turn to an heel??

Mat · 11-27-2007, 12:33 PM

Sid Vicious sucks, he better not return.

And Mo for now I think its gonna be face vs face match with hardy/hhh. But you know wwe, things can change.

**Gumby** · 11-27-2007, 06:49 PM

RAW was abysmal last night. The only redeeming thing about it was the fact that yes, Mickie and Melina were hotter than ever for some reason. Melina especially was bringing the sexy. At first I couldn't tell if they were gonna fight or hook up. LOL.

It's good to see Jericho back, but he just doesn't work as a face. The "me want title match" thing was funny, but it's the same kind of problem that people had with John Cena, and it won't go over very long, if at all.

**SMG Rules** · 11-28-2007, 01:28 AM

I don't know if it's true or not but I read that HBK and Orton were pretty good friends since they started working matches together. Unless they plan on having Sid be someones bodyguard there is no place for him. Maybe they could make him Edge's bodyguard or something.

rlm · 11-28-2007, 05:31 AM

oh man did anyone see the match between layla and kelly kelly on ecw? that was the worst match i have ever seen in my life. you had to have seen it, i can't even began to explain it. but the jesse and festus vs. morrison and the miz match made up for it. that match was pretty good. actually it was great. too bad, the miz and morrison won.

Mo · 11-28-2007, 09:01 AM

Just finsh watching Raw is was a bore fest it put me to sleep....
Yea Y2J & Santino were funny but other then that BORING.....

Mat · 11-28-2007, 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by rlm

oh man did anyone see the match between layla and kelly kelly on ecw? that was the worst match i have ever seen in my life. you had to have seen it, i can't even began to explain it. but the jesse and festus vs. morrison and the miz match made up for it. that match was pretty good. actually it was great. too bad, the miz and morrison won.

Yeah Kelly did worse then Layla by botching the gymnastics attack. Say what you want about Stacy, she could at least look believable. I think they are trying too hard to make Kelly another Stacy.

**SMG Rules** · 11-28-2007, 06:26 PM

There is a big gap between the divas who can wrestle and the ones who are just there for us to look at. It's to bad there not all as good as Candice, Mickey and Victoria.

**Gumby** · 11-28-2007, 07:08 PM

Torrie has been stepping it up lately on Smackdown. She's had some good matches with Victoria. Some of them are up in her thread in Starlets if you haven't seen them.

The thing about Stacy is that she never did more than she was capable of. While that may sound bad, she played a good character, and she usually did well in gimmick matches, especially the lingerie match with Torrie.

But, back then, they tried to play to a superstar's strengths. Now they have to manufacture a superstar because they think that's what the audience wants.

But RAW's crowd sucked, too. They barley popped for Flair in FLAIR COUNTRY.

**SMG Rules** · 11-29-2007, 12:50 AM

There are rumors of another major return to the WWE. I don't know who or even if it's true but I don't think Sid would be considered a major return would he? LOL

Could be Big Show because he was backstage(according to reports) and he never said he was retiring when he left just that he was "taking time off".

Mat · 11-29-2007, 12:53 AM

I dunno if I want show back. He had a good run. Sid...never was a fan of him and he isnt a major star in my books.

rlm · 11-29-2007, 04:38 AM

it's bret hart. no just kidding. although according to his book, bret has shifted the blame of the montreal screw job away from vince and shaun michaels. he now fully blames triple h for it.

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Nattie Neidhart worked a dark match against Victoria at last night’s ECW/SmackDown tapings from Roanoke, Virginia.

Two new matches were announced for WWE Armageddon at last night’s tapings. As expected, Finlay vs. The Great Khali was confirmed and Batista vs. Edge vs. The Undertaker in a three-way match for the WWE World Heavyweight Championship was also announced.

Carlito has been removed from the opening video on RAW and replaced with Chris Jericho. Take this for what it’s worth, however, it is expected that Carlito is on his way out of WWE.

Next week’s edition of ECW on Sci-Fi will air on Thursday at 10 PM EST instead of its normal timeslot. It will be interesting to see how the show does as it will go head-to-head with the second hour of TNA iMPACT.

WWE is said to be on the upward swing of things with the quality of writing improving and the returns of Triple H, Shawn Michaels, Chris Jericho, Edge, Undertaker, and Ric Flair. They are also negotiating with at least one more individual for a major return.

The plan right now is for Ric Flair’s winning streak to continue up to WrestleMania 24. However, if the company feels that flair is being too old school or is showing up younger talent, they won’t hesitate to pull the plug on the entire storyline.

Mo · 11-29-2007, 07:51 AM

Bret Hart doing promos on Raw will be hot tho doubt that will happen...

11-27-2007, 12:20 AM	#1 (permalink)
Mat Senior Member Join Date: May 2000 Location: Los Angeles, California Posts: 1,030 My Profile	Thoughts on 11/26 Raw TRIPLE H & JEFF HARDY vs. UMAGA & SNITSKY I missed most of this match as I was watching "Samantha Who". HHH/Hardy at Armageddon should be good. I hope HHH puts him over. HACKSAW DUGGAN & SUPER CRAZY & HARDCORE HOLLY & CODY RHODES vs. CADE & MURDOCH & ROBBIE & RORY HIGHLANDERS Time filler CHRIS JERICHO vs. SANTINO MARELLA Damn I missed Jericho. He looked good in the ring. I wasnt that impressed with his new finisher though. MR. KENNEDY vs. BRIAN KENDRICK No..... MICKIE JAMES vs. MELINA Not their best match. Both looked hotter then usual for some reason. RANDY ORTON vs. RIC FLAIR Basic tv match but good drama. I figured something would happen for Flair to win. Cool. Overall Raw was ok. I enjoyed it for the most part.

11-27-2007, 12:41 AM	#2 (permalink)
SMG Rules The Wicked One Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: USA Posts: 764 My Profile	I didn't really like the Y2J/Santino match that much because Santino couldn't wrestle if his life depended on it and he made Y2J look bad. The new finisher is really lame. Orton and Y2J are gonna have a hell of a match whenever it happens. The WWE is taking every chance they get to make Carltio look stupid and thats not cool. I can't stand hacksaw and he should have retired 10 years ago. All he does is yell USA and HOOOOO the entire match. I'm waiting on My girl Candice to return. Anyone know when that will be?

11-27-2007, 12:44 AM	#3 (permalink)
Mat Senior Member Join Date: May 2000 Location: Los Angeles, California Posts: 1,030 My Profile	No idea about Candice's return, should be a few weeks now. Santino was ok on the mic but he needs to be let go already. I forgot about Carlito. It was kinda funny but it does make him look bad. I am not surprised. I think he deserves much more.

11-27-2007, 01:36 AM	#4 (permalink)
SMG Rules The Wicked One Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: USA Posts: 764 My Profile	Triple H needs to let Hardy win at the PPV. HHH doesn't need anything but a clean win over The Game would make Hardy one of the top guys on Raw. I won't kill HHH to lose a match.

11-27-2007, 01:42 AM	#5 (permalink)
Mat Senior Member Join Date: May 2000 Location: Los Angeles, California Posts: 1,030 My Profile	Yeah but did you see the promo he cut tonight between him & hardy? He still makes it clear in character and in truth, he is the best period. I dont believe it but whatever :p

11-27-2007, 05:05 AM	#7 (permalink)
rlm Member of Sylar's Army Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: tx Posts: 1,992 My Profile	you know i would have to agree. why are they making carlito look stupid? he deserves better. but then again if he's upset being there why doesn't he just refuse to do these stupid spots with hornswaggle and quite already. i think Y2J's new finishing move would have looked better if it had been done with a better opponant. overall a decent raw. stuff looks like sabu missed his opportunity to shine again in TNA. Former WWE Superstar Sabu was booked to appear at the TNA iMPACT tapings two weeks ago, but didn't make it because he missed his flight. Sabu was supposed to come in and save Abyss from an attack from Black Reign and Rellik. TNA instead gave the spot to Rhino. Sabu was also set to work the next night's iMPACT tapings, but by then TNA had already shot new angles and the general feeling was that they didn't need him anymore. The company had long-term plans for Sabu, but it won't be until after the Turning Point pay-per-view in December if they decide to bring him back in or not. The original plan for Ric Flair's WrestleMania run (which would lead into a retirement angle) would have him wrestle on all three brands. The idea was pitched to creative by Steve Austin. While plans are always subject to change, the current plan is for Edge to win the WWE World Heavyweight Championship at Armageddon. It has been all but confirmed that Carlito is leaving WWE. He recently gave his notice and he is expected to finish up with the company sometime in December. No details have come out yet regarding his contract term, which would obviously prevent him from jumping to TNA right away. For the duration of the deal, they'll probably let him work wherever he wants except TNA, so the duration of the rest of the current deal is key here. Carlito hasn't been happy since around WrestleMania. At times, agents have praised his work, but the feeling is that he only does enough to get by, but not enough to excel. Also, WWE officials weren't happy with an interview he did during the week of WrestleMania where he complained about being left off of the card. Carlito is booked to appear at a big wrestling show in Puerto Rico on January 6. AAA in Mexico is also trying to land him. Sources within the WWE locker room say that Triple H ultimately wants to work as a heel in the company and eventually feud with John Cena. However, with Cena not being able to work next year’s WrestleMania, there has been an idea at least talked about of Triple H turning on Shawn Michaels to headline the big event. Speaking of Shawn Michaels, he has been telling a lot of people lately that he sees a lot of himself in Randy Orton when he was Orton’s age. Whether or not Michaels is implicating that Orton is a jerk (which Michaels will admit to being then) is unknown but HBK has said that he has seen Orton improving for the better. Former WCW and WWF superstar Sid Vicious appeared on the Live Audio Wrestling radio show last night. Vicious confirmed rumors that he is hoping to make a return to WWE. Vicious said he had been in talks with Vince McMahon. "We have been talking for awhile now, and we are trying to get things worked out," Vicious said. When asked about possibly joining TNA, Vicious said the company is unable to help him reach his many goals including wrestling in front of 80,000 fans again. RAW Dark Matches & WWE Heat Taping: Vladimir Kozlov defeated Marty Garner Charlie Haas defeated Paul London Carlito defeated Christian York Jillian defeated Maria Chris Jericho's new finishing move is called ‘The Code Breaker’. He drops his opponents face down across his own knee.

11-27-2007, 08:11 AM	#8 (permalink)
Mo LH/FH.Com 0ld Skool Join Date: May 2000 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 1,307 My Profile	What HHH has already turn to an heel??

11-27-2007, 12:33 PM	#9 (permalink)
Mat Senior Member Join Date: May 2000 Location: Los Angeles, California Posts: 1,030 My Profile	Sid Vicious sucks, he better not return. And Mo for now I think its gonna be face vs face match with hardy/hhh. But you know wwe, things can change.

11-27-2007, 06:49 PM	#10 (permalink)
Gumby Ya Rly! Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 943 My Profile	RAW was abysmal last night. The only redeeming thing about it was the fact that yes, Mickie and Melina were hotter than ever for some reason. Melina especially was bringing the sexy. At first I couldn't tell if they were gonna fight or hook up. LOL. It's good to see Jericho back, but he just doesn't work as a face. The "me want title match" thing was funny, but it's the same kind of problem that people had with John Cena, and it won't go over very long, if at all.

11-28-2007, 01:28 AM	#11 (permalink)
SMG Rules The Wicked One Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: USA Posts: 764 My Profile	I don't know if it's true or not but I read that HBK and Orton were pretty good friends since they started working matches together. Unless they plan on having Sid be someones bodyguard there is no place for him. Maybe they could make him Edge's bodyguard or something.

11-28-2007, 05:31 AM	#12 (permalink)
rlm Member of Sylar's Army Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: tx Posts: 1,992 My Profile	oh man did anyone see the match between layla and kelly kelly on ecw? that was the worst match i have ever seen in my life. you had to have seen it, i can't even began to explain it. but the jesse and festus vs. morrison and the miz match made up for it. that match was pretty good. actually it was great. too bad, the miz and morrison won.

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11-28-2007, 09:01 AM	#13 (permalink)
Mo LH/FH.Com 0ld Skool Join Date: May 2000 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 1,307 My Profile	Just finsh watching Raw is was a bore fest it put me to sleep.... Yea Y2J & Santino were funny but other then that BORING.....

11-28-2007, 06:26 PM	#15 (permalink)
SMG Rules The Wicked One Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: USA Posts: 764 My Profile	There is a big gap between the divas who can wrestle and the ones who are just there for us to look at. It's to bad there not all as good as Candice, Mickey and Victoria.

11-28-2007, 07:08 PM	#16 (permalink)
Gumby Ya Rly! Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 943 My Profile	Torrie has been stepping it up lately on Smackdown. She's had some good matches with Victoria. Some of them are up in her thread in Starlets if you haven't seen them. The thing about Stacy is that she never did more than she was capable of. While that may sound bad, she played a good character, and she usually did well in gimmick matches, especially the lingerie match with Torrie. But, back then, they tried to play to a superstar's strengths. Now they have to manufacture a superstar because they think that's what the audience wants. But RAW's crowd sucked, too. They barley popped for Flair in FLAIR COUNTRY.

11-29-2007, 12:50 AM	#17 (permalink)
SMG Rules The Wicked One Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: USA Posts: 764 My Profile	There are rumors of another major return to the WWE. I don't know who or even if it's true but I don't think Sid would be considered a major return would he? LOL Could be Big Show because he was backstage(according to reports) and he never said he was retiring when he left just that he was "taking time off".

11-29-2007, 12:53 AM	#18 (permalink)
Mat Senior Member Join Date: May 2000 Location: Los Angeles, California Posts: 1,030 My Profile	I dunno if I want show back. He had a good run. Sid...never was a fan of him and he isnt a major star in my books.

11-29-2007, 04:38 AM	#19 (permalink)
rlm Member of Sylar's Army Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: tx Posts: 1,992 My Profile	it's bret hart. no just kidding. although according to his book, bret has shifted the blame of the montreal screw job away from vince and shaun michaels. he now fully blames triple h for it. stuff Nattie Neidhart worked a dark match against Victoria at last night’s ECW/SmackDown tapings from Roanoke, Virginia. Two new matches were announced for WWE Armageddon at last night’s tapings. As expected, Finlay vs. The Great Khali was confirmed and Batista vs. Edge vs. The Undertaker in a three-way match for the WWE World Heavyweight Championship was also announced. Carlito has been removed from the opening video on RAW and replaced with Chris Jericho. Take this for what it’s worth, however, it is expected that Carlito is on his way out of WWE. Next week’s edition of ECW on Sci-Fi will air on Thursday at 10 PM EST instead of its normal timeslot. It will be interesting to see how the show does as it will go head-to-head with the second hour of TNA iMPACT. WWE is said to be on the upward swing of things with the quality of writing improving and the returns of Triple H, Shawn Michaels, Chris Jericho, Edge, Undertaker, and Ric Flair. They are also negotiating with at least one more individual for a major return. The plan right now is for Ric Flair’s winning streak to continue up to WrestleMania 24. However, if the company feels that flair is being too old school or is showing up younger talent, they won’t hesitate to pull the plug on the entire storyline.

11-29-2007, 07:51 AM	#20 (permalink)
Mo LH/FH.Com 0ld Skool Join Date: May 2000 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 1,307 My Profile	Bret Hart doing promos on Raw will be hot tho doubt that will happen...