Thoughts on 10/15 Raw

Mat · 10-15-2007, 11:29 PM

Im just making this thread for others to chat about it.

I didnt watch it tonight. I read the spoilers and it was too orton filled from the looks of it.

Plus ive been playing smackdown 08 demo on the 360

**SMG Rules** · 10-15-2007, 11:54 PM

God I love to watch Candice dance

Said it a million times but can't help it.

Raw was ok tonight. Randy had three matches none of which were great. The "Jericho" promo interupted Jerry and JR when they were talking. It's clear that it's Y2J. Vince wasted about 10 minutes having Umaga destory some jobber. The whole hornswaggle thing is just a waste of time.

Did I mention that I love to watch Candice dance LOL

rlm · 10-16-2007, 03:35 AM

i recorded and i'm watching it this very minutes. so far i've only seen two of orton's matches, nothing much going on there. candice vs jillian. candice won that match. of course they're continuing the lillian vs jillian storyline. right now i'm watching kendrick vs. rory. and if the save_us promo interupts jr and the king they're finally working it into the show which is the way to go. the whole umaga thing or as regal calls him yuumanga, was pointless. some poor slob just got pummeled by umaga. only good thing about raw was that there was no cena. oh and candice michelle. but i'm still watching it.

my predictions for cyber sunday

orton will wrestle against shawn michaels and win. jericho will probably show up at the end of the match to challenge orton.

batista vs undertaker. i see batista win and stay with the title. also i think the guest ref will be stone cold and he'll also deal with marello or whatever that guy's name is.

cm punk vs morrison. yeah it's gotta be morrison and he'll get the title back. even if the fans voted for the miz we're still going to get morrison. does anyone really think we're in charge of cyber sunday? no we're not.

triple h vs umaga. triple h will win but as for what type of match it'll be. i'm not so sure. i'm thinking a first blood match. that's what i would vote for. but really my vote really doesn't matter.

mvp vs matt hardy. i see mvp winning. in what type of match? hmmm. i'm going for wrestling match.

mysterio vs. finlay. mysterio will win and i'm stuck on whether it will be a no DQ match or a Shillelagh on a Pole match. can't decide on that one.

oh yeah it's obvious its jericho. just saw the save_us promo code. i caught jericho's name in it now.

rlm · 10-16-2007, 07:46 AM

maria (someone's favorite around here) announced that she broke up with cm punk 4 months ago. nows your chance dude. anyway she also says that she's planning on one day posing for playboy. today's your lucky day dude.

also after the show went off the air, raw had a dark match which turned out to be the best match of the night. it was triple h vs. umaga in a street fight match. triple h won the match at the end with a pedigree.

also dx might be reuniting at survivor series. there was some promos around the florida area during raw that said that shawn michaels and triple h were teaming up to take on umaga and randy orton.

Mo · 10-16-2007, 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by rlm

maria (someone's favorite around here) announced that she broke up with cm punk 4 months ago. nows your chance dude. anyway she also says that she's planning on one day posing for playboy. today's your lucky day dude.

& great news that Y2J is getting closer :>
Tho a lot people are saying it could be Edge...

Mat · 10-16-2007, 01:46 PM

^Haha, she's all yours now Mo. Play nice with her!!

I tend to like ECW more then any other brand nowadays.

**Gumby** · 10-16-2007, 06:03 PM

MARIA'S MINE!!!!!

Now, if Torrie Wilson will just break up with Nick, I'd be very...very happy.

Mat · 10-16-2007, 11:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Gumby

MARIA'S MINE!!!!!

Now, if Torrie Wilson will just break up with Nick, I'd be very...very happy.

Yeah, that is a odd couple.

So is Undertaker & McCool

**SMG Rules** · 10-17-2007, 12:07 AM

It looks as if Smackdown and ECW are now going to share superstars. I like this idea because ECW was in need of some more wrestlers and now they can borrow some from Smackdown.

Mat · 10-17-2007, 12:14 AM

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Originally Posted by SMG Rules

It looks as if Smackdown and ECW are now going to share superstars. I like this idea because ECW was in need of some more wrestlers and now they can borrow some from Smackdown.

Yes, we need some Rey & Batista *bleh*.

ECW was ok tonight. I love kane so it was cool seeing him on ECW.

**Gumby** · 10-17-2007, 12:56 AM

They just need to kill ECW, get rid of their dead weight wrestlers, and strengthen the Smackdown roster even more.

**SMG Rules** · 10-17-2007, 01:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Gumby

get rid of their dead weight wrestlers

They should start with The Miz, Balls, and Mike Nox.

Mo · 10-17-2007, 01:31 AM

The miz is a joke tho most of the newbies on ecw are...
Btw Mat Taker & Mcool?? i thought taker was married???

rlm · 10-17-2007, 04:15 AM

taker has split with his wife/girlfriend (not sure on that) some time ago. he's been seen with mccool around the houston area shopping. they have also been arriving together at arenas.

yeah miz should be terminated. i like balls mahoney. but there's really not much he can do on the show. cm punk has proven himself and he would fit in on smackdown or raw. john morrison kinda reminds me of edge now for some reason.

the last save us promo had the name jericho right in it. edge is said to be back late december or early january.

rlm · 10-17-2007, 06:53 AM

here's the full deal as to what went on after raw went off the air. thanks to pwinsider.

After RAW went dark, Shawn Michaels continued to pose around the ring for about 30 seconds and then made his way up the ramp, stopping and making weird sneering and then smiling faces towards the direction of the empty ring (guess it never hurts to have some extra b-roll for vignettes). He got to the stage and Triple H’s music hit. Michaels stood at the entrance doing the old Kliq double point towards HHH as he made his way out to the stage. They shugged (the ol’ hand shake into the shoulder hug) and the HHH pulled Michaels back to do their dual pose. Usual good pop for HHH; the unusual part was the fact that most of the fans stayed (no matter the caliber of the main event dark match after the show, most venues in the states empty out a good 30-40%). Umaga came out, and even though Lillian didn’t announce it was a street fight, I assume from the way the match went, that it was.

HHH defeated Umaga in 12:12 after the pedigree. Your typical house show match. Punches back and forth early. Match went to the outside quickly and HHH slammed Umaga’s head into the steps but…duh…he’s Samoan and HHH wound up tasting the steps himself. Umaga then backed HHH into the far ring post and went for a splash but HHH moved and Umaga’s head met the post. Umaga staggered back into the ring while HHH grabbed the house mic climbed into the ring and then gave Umaga 3 shots to the head with it. HHH then went looking for more plunder and got a garbage can which moments later wound up with the impression of a large Samoan man’s head moments later which got Helmsley a 2 count. HHH went back to the trash can but Umaga ducked and hit a Samoan drop after which HHH started to sell the ribs from last week’s angle. Umaga dominated the next 2 minutes with punches, kicks and heat-butts, mostly to the ribs. After a running head-butt to the midsection and a running splash, Umaga got a 2 count. Triple H mounted a Steamboat style comeback throwing a punch and then back to selling, throwing another punch and then selling again. He hit the ropes but was met with a bearhug and Umaga tossed him around to get over the idea he was going after the ribs. After about a minute of the bearhug, HHH punched his way out but Umaga quickly countered back with a belly-to-belly suplex that was good for a 2 count. When they got back to their feet Umaga went right back to the bearhug, this time more from the side and eventually in a seated position from behind. HHH just did a little sign with his hand motioning upwards and the crowd started to get behind him. HHH broke the hold with 3 elbows to the side of the head but Umaga cut him off with a head butt to the back. HHH staggered to the corner and Umaga sent him to the mat with a series of punches setting him up for the running hip attack (I know, it’s not his hip…this move should have a name, no? Wikipedia list’s it as the Samoan Wrecking Ball, but I’ve never heard anyone actually call it that). With a full head of steam, Umaga hit the Samoan wrecking ball but took his time to lightly make a cover (hook the leg maaaaaan) and Helmsley kicked out at 2. Umaga was upset with the ref the paced around until going outside to grab a chair, taking his time to get back in the ring with it. He went to nail HHH with the chair, but was met with a Ric Flair style low blow and he dropped the chair. Still on his knees, HHH took the chair and placed it between Umaga’s legs and gave him another low blow.

Umaga sold while HHH got to his feet and the took him down face first with a DDT on the chair, but even hooking the leg, only managed a two count. Both men got to their feet and traded punches, HHH went to whip Umaga into the corner but was reversed and sent back first into and over the top turnbuckle to the outside. Umaga went to the outside as well and took the top part of the ring steps and launched them at HHH, but he ducked, came around with a kick to the gut and hooked him for the pedigree but was blocked and subsequently back-dropped onto the floor. Umaga then took the lower half of the ring steps and placed them into the ring. Both got back into the ring, HHH sold into the corner and Umaga came charging but was met with a boot. HHH the came charging out of the corner at Umaga but was caught with the swinging Ura-nage but only for another 2 count.

He then set the stairs up in the corner against the turnbuckles (like they would a table) and dragged HHH over to them, placing HHH, seated, with his head and back against them, setting up for another “Samoan Wrecking Ball.” HHH moved out of the way this time and Umaga crashed back first into the steps. He sold out of the corner and then charged HHH and was met with a spinebuster. HHH jumped up and did his pose, but immediately crumbled into the corner selling his ribs. Umaga got back to his feet and picked the garbage can that was still in the ring. He went to nail HHH with it was met with a boot to the gut…Pedigree…Ball Game (as JBL would say).

HHH stood in the ring selling his ribs every time he posed, and he and Umaga stared each other down as Umaga made his way up the aisle. HHH did about another 3 minutes of posing/selling before Lillian Garcia thanked the UK fans and the show ended.

Mo · 10-17-2007, 10:50 AM

when the cameras stop the dark shows always seem better...

**SMG Rules** · 10-18-2007, 12:23 AM

Hey Matt is that Smackdown 08 demo any good? I'm going to buy the game whenever it comes out if it's on Ps2.

Wolf · 10-18-2007, 02:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Mat

Im just making this thread for others to chat about it.

I didnt watch it tonight. I read the spoilers and it was too orton filled from the looks of it.

Plus ive been playing smackdown 08 demo on the 360

That is pretty early. Nothing relating to a smackdown 08 demo on the PSN. Why are they even pushing this Umaga Vs Triple H feud? Its boring, and I don't feel like watching Umaga because, I don't really like him as a wrestler, in other words he doesn't impress me. Whatever happened to Shelton Benjamin? They should start putting the good talent to use instead of crapping all over it with rehashed rivalries. Thats just my two cents on the matter. Randy Ortan... Meh. At least Candice is pretty.

**Gumby** · 10-18-2007, 03:23 AM

I still don't get why everyone is so high on Shelton Benjamin. Yes, he's "athletic," but that doesn't mean squat when you can't wrestle.

Same with Kennedy. Saying his name really loud = mic skills rivaling The Rock's, apparently.

Jericho's debut promo was right all along. "You people have been led to believe that mediocrity is excellence."

rlm · 10-18-2007, 04:05 AM

looks like ecw is going the way of the dodo. it doesn't look like ecw will get renewed when it's contract with sci fi ends at the end of 2007.

from pwinsider
WWE announced today that effective immediately they will begin airing full ECW TV episodes on the official WWE web site. This further raises questions that ECW’s television deal with the Sci-Fi Network will not be renewed past the end of 2007.

Shane McMahon, who was very supportive of WWE bringing back ECW, had suggested when the company had first decided to resurrect the brand that the company run ECW TV on the WWE web site to support the brand on smaller scale, much like the original ECW. However, when Vince McMahon got firmly behind the project, he demanded a larger scale and wanted a television clearance for ECW.

With the sinking ratings, lack of talent, and the announcement that SmackDown stars will begin appearing on ECW television, it looks like ECW will slowly evolve into something similar to WWE.com HEAT. From everything that we have heard from WWE’s recent overseas tour is that the ECW brand is heading for oblivion.

10-15-2007, 11:29 PM	#1 (permalink)
Mat Senior Member Join Date: May 2000 Location: Los Angeles, California Posts: 1,030 My Profile	Thoughts on 10/15 Raw Im just making this thread for others to chat about it. I didnt watch it tonight. I read the spoilers and it was too orton filled from the looks of it. Plus ive been playing smackdown 08 demo on the 360

10-15-2007, 11:54 PM	#2 (permalink)
SMG Rules The Wicked One Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: USA Posts: 752 My Profile	God I love to watch Candice dance Said it a million times but can't help it. Raw was ok tonight. Randy had three matches none of which were great. The "Jericho" promo interupted Jerry and JR when they were talking. It's clear that it's Y2J. Vince wasted about 10 minutes having Umaga destory some jobber. The whole hornswaggle thing is just a waste of time. Did I mention that I love to watch Candice dance LOL Last edited by SMG Rules : 10-16-2007 at 12:00 AM.

10-17-2007, 10:50 AM	#16 (permalink)
Mo LH/FH.Com 0ld Skool Join Date: May 2000 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 1,291 My Profile	when the cameras stop the dark shows always seem better... Last edited by Mo : 10-17-2007 at 11:14 AM.

10-18-2007, 12:23 AM	#17 (permalink)
SMG Rules The Wicked One Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: USA Posts: 752 My Profile	Hey Matt is that Smackdown 08 demo any good? I'm going to buy the game whenever it comes out if it's on Ps2. Last edited by SMG Rules : 10-18-2007 at 12:23 AM.

10-16-2007, 03:35 AM	#3 (permalink)
rlm Member of Sylar's Army Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: tx Posts: 1,975 My Profile	i recorded and i'm watching it this very minutes. so far i've only seen two of orton's matches, nothing much going on there. candice vs jillian. candice won that match. of course they're continuing the lillian vs jillian storyline. right now i'm watching kendrick vs. rory. and if the save_us promo interupts jr and the king they're finally working it into the show which is the way to go. the whole umaga thing or as regal calls him yuumanga, was pointless. some poor slob just got pummeled by umaga. only good thing about raw was that there was no cena. oh and candice michelle. but i'm still watching it. my predictions for cyber sunday orton will wrestle against shawn michaels and win. jericho will probably show up at the end of the match to challenge orton. batista vs undertaker. i see batista win and stay with the title. also i think the guest ref will be stone cold and he'll also deal with marello or whatever that guy's name is. cm punk vs morrison. yeah it's gotta be morrison and he'll get the title back. even if the fans voted for the miz we're still going to get morrison. does anyone really think we're in charge of cyber sunday? no we're not. triple h vs umaga. triple h will win but as for what type of match it'll be. i'm not so sure. i'm thinking a first blood match. that's what i would vote for. but really my vote really doesn't matter. mvp vs matt hardy. i see mvp winning. in what type of match? hmmm. i'm going for wrestling match. mysterio vs. finlay. mysterio will win and i'm stuck on whether it will be a no DQ match or a Shillelagh on a Pole match. can't decide on that one. oh yeah it's obvious its jericho. just saw the save_us promo code. i caught jericho's name in it now.

10-16-2007, 07:46 AM	#4 (permalink)
rlm Member of Sylar's Army Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: tx Posts: 1,975 My Profile	maria (someone's favorite around here) announced that she broke up with cm punk 4 months ago. nows your chance dude. anyway she also says that she's planning on one day posing for playboy. today's your lucky day dude. also after the show went off the air, raw had a dark match which turned out to be the best match of the night. it was triple h vs. umaga in a street fight match. triple h won the match at the end with a pedigree. also dx might be reuniting at survivor series. there was some promos around the florida area during raw that said that shawn michaels and triple h were teaming up to take on umaga and randy orton.

10-16-2007, 01:46 PM	#6 (permalink)
Mat Senior Member Join Date: May 2000 Location: Los Angeles, California Posts: 1,030 My Profile	^Haha, she's all yours now Mo. Play nice with her!! I tend to like ECW more then any other brand nowadays.

10-16-2007, 06:03 PM	#7 (permalink)
Gumby Ya Rly! Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 939 My Profile	MARIA'S MINE!!!!! Now, if Torrie Wilson will just break up with Nick, I'd be very...very happy.

10-17-2007, 12:07 AM	#9 (permalink)
SMG Rules The Wicked One Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: USA Posts: 752 My Profile	It looks as if Smackdown and ECW are now going to share superstars. I like this idea because ECW was in need of some more wrestlers and now they can borrow some from Smackdown.

10-17-2007, 12:56 AM	#11 (permalink)
Gumby Ya Rly! Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 939 My Profile	They just need to kill ECW, get rid of their dead weight wrestlers, and strengthen the Smackdown roster even more.

10-17-2007, 01:31 AM	#13 (permalink)
Mo LH/FH.Com 0ld Skool Join Date: May 2000 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 1,291 My Profile	The miz is a joke tho most of the newbies on ecw are... Btw Mat Taker & Mcool?? i thought taker was married???

10-17-2007, 04:15 AM	#14 (permalink)
rlm Member of Sylar's Army Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: tx Posts: 1,975 My Profile	taker has split with his wife/girlfriend (not sure on that) some time ago. he's been seen with mccool around the houston area shopping. they have also been arriving together at arenas. yeah miz should be terminated. i like balls mahoney. but there's really not much he can do on the show. cm punk has proven himself and he would fit in on smackdown or raw. john morrison kinda reminds me of edge now for some reason. the last save us promo had the name jericho right in it. edge is said to be back late december or early january.

10-17-2007, 06:53 AM	#15 (permalink)
rlm Member of Sylar's Army Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: tx Posts: 1,975 My Profile	here's the full deal as to what went on after raw went off the air. thanks to pwinsider. After RAW went dark, Shawn Michaels continued to pose around the ring for about 30 seconds and then made his way up the ramp, stopping and making weird sneering and then smiling faces towards the direction of the empty ring (guess it never hurts to have some extra b-roll for vignettes). He got to the stage and Triple H’s music hit. Michaels stood at the entrance doing the old Kliq double point towards HHH as he made his way out to the stage. They shugged (the ol’ hand shake into the shoulder hug) and the HHH pulled Michaels back to do their dual pose. Usual good pop for HHH; the unusual part was the fact that most of the fans stayed (no matter the caliber of the main event dark match after the show, most venues in the states empty out a good 30-40%). Umaga came out, and even though Lillian didn’t announce it was a street fight, I assume from the way the match went, that it was. HHH defeated Umaga in 12:12 after the pedigree. Your typical house show match. Punches back and forth early. Match went to the outside quickly and HHH slammed Umaga’s head into the steps but…duh…he’s Samoan and HHH wound up tasting the steps himself. Umaga then backed HHH into the far ring post and went for a splash but HHH moved and Umaga’s head met the post. Umaga staggered back into the ring while HHH grabbed the house mic climbed into the ring and then gave Umaga 3 shots to the head with it. HHH then went looking for more plunder and got a garbage can which moments later wound up with the impression of a large Samoan man’s head moments later which got Helmsley a 2 count. HHH went back to the trash can but Umaga ducked and hit a Samoan drop after which HHH started to sell the ribs from last week’s angle. Umaga dominated the next 2 minutes with punches, kicks and heat-butts, mostly to the ribs. After a running head-butt to the midsection and a running splash, Umaga got a 2 count. Triple H mounted a Steamboat style comeback throwing a punch and then back to selling, throwing another punch and then selling again. He hit the ropes but was met with a bearhug and Umaga tossed him around to get over the idea he was going after the ribs. After about a minute of the bearhug, HHH punched his way out but Umaga quickly countered back with a belly-to-belly suplex that was good for a 2 count. When they got back to their feet Umaga went right back to the bearhug, this time more from the side and eventually in a seated position from behind. HHH just did a little sign with his hand motioning upwards and the crowd started to get behind him. HHH broke the hold with 3 elbows to the side of the head but Umaga cut him off with a head butt to the back. HHH staggered to the corner and Umaga sent him to the mat with a series of punches setting him up for the running hip attack (I know, it’s not his hip…this move should have a name, no? Wikipedia list’s it as the Samoan Wrecking Ball, but I’ve never heard anyone actually call it that). With a full head of steam, Umaga hit the Samoan wrecking ball but took his time to lightly make a cover (hook the leg maaaaaan) and Helmsley kicked out at 2. Umaga was upset with the ref the paced around until going outside to grab a chair, taking his time to get back in the ring with it. He went to nail HHH with the chair, but was met with a Ric Flair style low blow and he dropped the chair. Still on his knees, HHH took the chair and placed it between Umaga’s legs and gave him another low blow. Umaga sold while HHH got to his feet and the took him down face first with a DDT on the chair, but even hooking the leg, only managed a two count. Both men got to their feet and traded punches, HHH went to whip Umaga into the corner but was reversed and sent back first into and over the top turnbuckle to the outside. Umaga went to the outside as well and took the top part of the ring steps and launched them at HHH, but he ducked, came around with a kick to the gut and hooked him for the pedigree but was blocked and subsequently back-dropped onto the floor. Umaga then took the lower half of the ring steps and placed them into the ring. Both got back into the ring, HHH sold into the corner and Umaga came charging but was met with a boot. HHH the came charging out of the corner at Umaga but was caught with the swinging Ura-nage but only for another 2 count. He then set the stairs up in the corner against the turnbuckles (like they would a table) and dragged HHH over to them, placing HHH, seated, with his head and back against them, setting up for another “Samoan Wrecking Ball.” HHH moved out of the way this time and Umaga crashed back first into the steps. He sold out of the corner and then charged HHH and was met with a spinebuster. HHH jumped up and did his pose, but immediately crumbled into the corner selling his ribs. Umaga got back to his feet and picked the garbage can that was still in the ring. He went to nail HHH with it was met with a boot to the gut…Pedigree…Ball Game (as JBL would say). HHH stood in the ring selling his ribs every time he posed, and he and Umaga stared each other down as Umaga made his way up the aisle. HHH did about another 3 minutes of posing/selling before Lillian Garcia thanked the UK fans and the show ended.

10-18-2007, 03:23 AM	#19 (permalink)
Gumby Ya Rly! Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 939 My Profile	I still don't get why everyone is so high on Shelton Benjamin. Yes, he's "athletic," but that doesn't mean squat when you can't wrestle. Same with Kennedy. Saying his name really loud = mic skills rivaling The Rock's, apparently. Jericho's debut promo was right all along. "You people have been led to believe that mediocrity is excellence."

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10-18-2007, 04:05 AM	#20 (permalink)
rlm Member of Sylar's Army Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: tx Posts: 1,975 My Profile	looks like ecw is going the way of the dodo. it doesn't look like ecw will get renewed when it's contract with sci fi ends at the end of 2007. from pwinsider WWE announced today that effective immediately they will begin airing full ECW TV episodes on the official WWE web site. This further raises questions that ECW’s television deal with the Sci-Fi Network will not be renewed past the end of 2007. Shane McMahon, who was very supportive of WWE bringing back ECW, had suggested when the company had first decided to resurrect the brand that the company run ECW TV on the WWE web site to support the brand on smaller scale, much like the original ECW. However, when Vince McMahon got firmly behind the project, he demanded a larger scale and wanted a television clearance for ECW. With the sinking ratings, lack of talent, and the announcement that SmackDown stars will begin appearing on ECW television, it looks like ECW will slowly evolve into something similar to WWE.com HEAT. From everything that we have heard from WWE’s recent overseas tour is that the ECW brand is heading for oblivion.