Thoughts on 9/17 Raw

Mat · 09-17-2007, 11:01 PM

Saw it all till the last 5 minutes, it stunk. How wwe puts out this crap for its "flagship" show is beyond me.

rlm · 09-17-2007, 11:26 PM

its no wonder that at unforgiven yesterday no one cared for any of the matches that raw offered. all the pops were for the smackdown and ecw matches. the matches with rey mysterio, cm punk and undertaker were the only ones that people were there to see. anyone see the sign up in the audience on raw tonight? it said "save us Y2J" i totally agree.

Mat · 09-17-2007, 11:40 PM

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Originally Posted by rlm

anyone see the sign up in the audience on raw tonight? it said "save us Y2J" i totally agree.

Yup I caught it. I nodded my head when I read it.

Only good matches was the womens match & hardy/shelton but the rest of the show stunk.

**SMG Rules** · 09-18-2007, 12:03 AM

I really enjoyed that Hardy/Shelton match. I would like to see those two in a fued because they could put on some great matches. The rest of the show did suck.

Mo · 09-18-2007, 12:12 AM

Dam it seems like it sucked big time...

**SMG Rules** · 09-18-2007, 12:25 AM

I loved the part at the end when the fans were chanting "You can't wrestle" at John Cena

Mat · 09-18-2007, 12:40 AM

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Originally Posted by SMG Rules

I loved the part at the end when the fans were chanting "You can't wrestle" at John Cena

I read that happened, other then that it didnt look like I missed much as far as the end. Predictable.

Mo · 09-18-2007, 09:48 AM

So 0rton seems to be getting away with all his drug problems...

rlm · 09-19-2007, 01:36 AM

i was wondering at first who the audience was yelling "you can't wrestle" to. mainly cuz i wasn't paying attention. i was playing evil dead regeneration on the other tube and would take glances at the match. of course when i saw cena's huge face i realized it was directed at him.

Mo · 09-19-2007, 08:47 AM

Found this online

Stars to hold the belts.
01: Bruno Sammartino (17 May 1963 - 18 January 1971) 2,499 Days
02: Bob Backlund (20 Feb. 1978 - 26 Dec. 1983) 2,138 Days
03: Hulk Hogan (23 Jan. 1983 - 05 Feb. 1988) 1,838 Days
04: Bruno Sammartino (10 Dec. 1973 - 30 Apr. 1977) 1,541 Days
05: Pedro Morales (08 Feb. 1971 - 01 Dec. 1973) 1,027 Days
06: Macho Man Randy Savage (27 Mar. 1988 - 02 April 1989) 371 Days
07: John Cena (17 Sep. 2006 - Current Day) 366 Days
08: Hulk Hogan (02 Apr. 1989 - 01 Apr. 1990) 364 Days
09: Diesel (26 Nov. 1994 - 19 Nov. 1995) 359 Days
10: Ultimate Warrior (01 Apr. 1990 - 19 Jan. 1991) 293 Days

Mat · 09-19-2007, 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Mo

Found this online

Stars to hold the belts.
01: Bruno Sammartino (17 May 1963 - 18 January 1971) 2,499 Days
02: Bob Backlund (20 Feb. 1978 - 26 Dec. 1983) 2,138 Days
03: Hulk Hogan (23 Jan. 1983 - 05 Feb. 1988) 1,838 Days
04: Bruno Sammartino (10 Dec. 1973 - 30 Apr. 1977) 1,541 Days
05: Pedro Morales (08 Feb. 1971 - 01 Dec. 1973) 1,027 Days
06: Macho Man Randy Savage (27 Mar. 1988 - 02 April 1989) 371 Days
07: John Cena (17 Sep. 2006 - Current Day) 366 Days
08: Hulk Hogan (02 Apr. 1989 - 01 Apr. 1990) 364 Days
09: Diesel (26 Nov. 1994 - 19 Nov. 1995) 359 Days
10: Ultimate Warrior (01 Apr. 1990 - 19 Jan. 1991) 293 Days

I read about this on a wrestling dirt site last weekend, it sucks >( Lets hope he isnt gonna beat Bruno's record.

**Gumby** · 09-19-2007, 03:30 PM

I don't get why all this criticism is being leveled at John Cena. It's not his fault he's had such a long title reign, it's the writers for not building up any stars other than him. Triple H single-handedly burying the tag division doesn't help, either. Other than Randy Orton, there's no other wrestler on RAW who can be seen as a credible threat to Cena.

I'm also getting tired of the "you can't wrestle" comments. Mainly because, uh...yeah, he can. Fans may be getting tired of the superman push and lame promos, but again, he's not writing it or booking it. He's really one of the best all-around talents in the company, and definitely the hardest worker.

So, until WWE can expand their thinking beyond cheapsauce and Vince siring leprechauns, you're gonna have Super Cena as champ.

**SMG Rules** · 09-19-2007, 10:23 PM

I agree that Cena is one of the hardest workers in the company. However when it comes to in ring skills he's not nearly as good as Orton, Triple H, HBK or several others. I still believe they should turn HHH heel and have him go after Cena and this time not make him job to Superman.

Mat · 09-19-2007, 11:51 PM

I dont hate cena as a person or wrestler, I just hate the character and how he is booked.

**superboy** · 09-20-2007, 12:50 AM

the show was borrrrrrrrrrrrrring.

Mat · 09-20-2007, 12:51 AM

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Originally Posted by TommyLovesJLH

the show was borrrrrrrrrrrrrring.

HAHAHA, glad we wernt the only ones who thought it, stupid ass raw.

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Source: PWInsider.com

Things are not looking up for WWE as this past Monday’s edition of RAW only did a 3.3 cable rating. That number is way down from last week’s 3.9 which was helped with the announcement of Vince McMahon’s bastard son. The first hour did a 3.2 with the second hour doing a 3.5.

There should definitely be some concern backstage in WWE with the number as the show was after a pay-per-view. Shows after pay-per-views usually do higher ratings because people that didn’t order the PPV usually tune in to find out what happened.

The rating did not come without competition as Monday Night Football on ESPN which featured the Washington Redskins at Philadelphia Eagles did a 9.1 cable rating.

IzzyJr · 09-20-2007, 05:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Mo

Found this online

Stars to hold the belts.
01: Bruno Sammartino (17 May 1963 - 18 January 1971) 2,499 Days
02: Bob Backlund (20 Feb. 1978 - 26 Dec. 1983) 2,138 Days
03: Hulk Hogan (23 Jan. 1983 - 05 Feb. 1988) 1,838 Days
04: Bruno Sammartino (10 Dec. 1973 - 30 Apr. 1977) 1,541 Days
05: Pedro Morales (08 Feb. 1971 - 01 Dec. 1973) 1,027 Days
06: Macho Man Randy Savage (27 Mar. 1988 - 02 April 1989) 371 Days
07: John Cena (17 Sep. 2006 - Current Day) 366 Days
08: Hulk Hogan (02 Apr. 1989 - 01 Apr. 1990) 364 Days
09: Diesel (26 Nov. 1994 - 19 Nov. 1995) 359 Days
10: Ultimate Warrior (01 Apr. 1990 - 19 Jan. 1991) 293 Days

Bad times. If only I could get those 5 years out of my head.

I wouldn't mind Cena as champion for a few years. Doesn't bother me. Khali on the other hand...I don't get to see Raw until Saturday/Sunday so I can't comment on it.

**SMG Rules** · 09-20-2007, 02:43 PM

I can't put all the blame on Cena still being champ(believe me I would like to) but it is part of the reason. People don't care about wathcing anymore because they already know he gonna win. They have got to do something to get the ratings up. When Kennedy comes back and it's announced that he is indeed the son(hopefully) that will make things more intresting.

**Gumby** · 09-20-2007, 11:35 PM

They need to just drop the whole "bastard child" storyline. Honestly, how is that going to push Kennedy? He'll just repeat two names instead of one. He'll still be boring.

Just chalk up Hornswoggle's paternity to yet another DX prank, turn HBK heel upon his return, and leave it at that.

rlm · 09-21-2007, 01:54 AM

leading up to kennedy's return, they'll be doing comedy bits with vince and hornswaggle. i think after that kennedy will be revealed to be his son and hornswaggle was just after vince's money to add it to his pot of gold. as for cena, i think he has like the same 5 moves. he uses the same ones in every match.

and on tuesday night after watching ecw i thought that for a one hour show it was better than anything that was on raw. i'm hoping smackdown doesn't dissapoint like last week.

09-17-2007, 11:01 PM	#1 (permalink)
Mat Senior Member Join Date: May 2000 Location: Los Angeles, California Posts: 1,030 My Profile	Thoughts on 9/17 Raw Saw it all till the last 5 minutes, it stunk. How wwe puts out this crap for its "flagship" show is beyond me.

09-19-2007, 08:47 AM	#10 (permalink)
Mo LH/FH.Com 0ld Skool Join Date: May 2000 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 1,307 My Profile	Found this online Stars to hold the belts. 01: Bruno Sammartino (17 May 1963 - 18 January 1971) 2,499 Days 02: Bob Backlund (20 Feb. 1978 - 26 Dec. 1983) 2,138 Days 03: Hulk Hogan (23 Jan. 1983 - 05 Feb. 1988) 1,838 Days 04: Bruno Sammartino (10 Dec. 1973 - 30 Apr. 1977) 1,541 Days 05: Pedro Morales (08 Feb. 1971 - 01 Dec. 1973) 1,027 Days 06: Macho Man Randy Savage (27 Mar. 1988 - 02 April 1989) 371 Days 07: John Cena (17 Sep. 2006 - Current Day) 366 Days 08: Hulk Hogan (02 Apr. 1989 - 01 Apr. 1990) 364 Days 09: Diesel (26 Nov. 1994 - 19 Nov. 1995) 359 Days 10: Ultimate Warrior (01 Apr. 1990 - 19 Jan. 1991) 293 Days Last edited by Mo : 09-19-2007 at 08:48 AM.

09-20-2007, 02:43 PM	#18 (permalink)
SMG Rules The Wicked One Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: USA Posts: 764 My Profile	I can't put all the blame on Cena still being champ(believe me I would like to) but it is part of the reason. People don't care about wathcing anymore because they already know he gonna win. They have got to do something to get the ratings up. When Kennedy comes back and it's announced that he is indeed the son(hopefully) that will make things more intresting. Last edited by SMG Rules : 09-20-2007 at 02:43 PM.

09-17-2007, 11:26 PM	#2 (permalink)
rlm Member of Sylar's Army Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: tx Posts: 1,992 My Profile	its no wonder that at unforgiven yesterday no one cared for any of the matches that raw offered. all the pops were for the smackdown and ecw matches. the matches with rey mysterio, cm punk and undertaker were the only ones that people were there to see. anyone see the sign up in the audience on raw tonight? it said "save us Y2J" i totally agree.

09-18-2007, 12:03 AM	#4 (permalink)
SMG Rules The Wicked One Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: USA Posts: 764 My Profile	I really enjoyed that Hardy/Shelton match. I would like to see those two in a fued because they could put on some great matches. The rest of the show did suck.

09-18-2007, 12:12 AM	#5 (permalink)
Mo LH/FH.Com 0ld Skool Join Date: May 2000 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 1,307 My Profile	Dam it seems like it sucked big time...

09-18-2007, 12:25 AM	#6 (permalink)
SMG Rules The Wicked One Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: USA Posts: 764 My Profile	I loved the part at the end when the fans were chanting "You can't wrestle" at John Cena

09-18-2007, 09:48 AM	#8 (permalink)
Mo LH/FH.Com 0ld Skool Join Date: May 2000 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 1,307 My Profile	So 0rton seems to be getting away with all his drug problems...

09-19-2007, 01:36 AM	#9 (permalink)
rlm Member of Sylar's Army Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: tx Posts: 1,992 My Profile	i was wondering at first who the audience was yelling "you can't wrestle" to. mainly cuz i wasn't paying attention. i was playing evil dead regeneration on the other tube and would take glances at the match. of course when i saw cena's huge face i realized it was directed at him.

09-19-2007, 03:30 PM	#12 (permalink)
Gumby Ya Rly! Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 943 My Profile	I don't get why all this criticism is being leveled at John Cena. It's not his fault he's had such a long title reign, it's the writers for not building up any stars other than him. Triple H single-handedly burying the tag division doesn't help, either. Other than Randy Orton, there's no other wrestler on RAW who can be seen as a credible threat to Cena. I'm also getting tired of the "you can't wrestle" comments. Mainly because, uh...yeah, he can. Fans may be getting tired of the superman push and lame promos, but again, he's not writing it or booking it. He's really one of the best all-around talents in the company, and definitely the hardest worker. So, until WWE can expand their thinking beyond cheapsauce and Vince siring leprechauns, you're gonna have Super Cena as champ.

09-19-2007, 10:23 PM	#13 (permalink)
SMG Rules The Wicked One Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: USA Posts: 764 My Profile	I agree that Cena is one of the hardest workers in the company. However when it comes to in ring skills he's not nearly as good as Orton, Triple H, HBK or several others. I still believe they should turn HHH heel and have him go after Cena and this time not make him job to Superman.

09-19-2007, 11:51 PM	#14 (permalink)
Mat Senior Member Join Date: May 2000 Location: Los Angeles, California Posts: 1,030 My Profile	I dont hate cena as a person or wrestler, I just hate the character and how he is booked.

09-20-2007, 12:50 AM	#15 (permalink)
superboy Sports/Starlets Mod Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Philly Posts: 11,633	the show was borrrrrrrrrrrrrring.

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09-20-2007, 11:35 PM	#19 (permalink)
Gumby Ya Rly! Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 943 My Profile	They need to just drop the whole "bastard child" storyline. Honestly, how is that going to push Kennedy? He'll just repeat two names instead of one. He'll still be boring. Just chalk up Hornswoggle's paternity to yet another DX prank, turn HBK heel upon his return, and leave it at that.

09-21-2007, 01:54 AM	#20 (permalink)
rlm Member of Sylar's Army Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: tx Posts: 1,992 My Profile	leading up to kennedy's return, they'll be doing comedy bits with vince and hornswaggle. i think after that kennedy will be revealed to be his son and hornswaggle was just after vince's money to add it to his pot of gold. as for cena, i think he has like the same 5 moves. he uses the same ones in every match. and on tuesday night after watching ecw i thought that for a one hour show it was better than anything that was on raw. i'm hoping smackdown doesn't dissapoint like last week.