Obama going Down

**Plastic Flute** · 10-07-2009, 09:37 PM

His numbers are falling. He is the WORST!!!!

Moshe.. · 10-08-2009, 12:16 PM

In foreign policy he's been cleverer than you'd expect. There's some calculation in the way he acts with russia and iran.

His domestic politics is lacking. Does he even have a politics - it may be impolite to ask -? Outwitting other politicians for popularity can count as real victory against a foreign country. But winning popularity in a domestic occasion like cash for clunkers isn't a success, because resources can be wasted whether or not your population understands how (people might believe the broken window fallacy but that doesn't stop broken windows costing resources). The effectiveness of domestic policy is more observer-independent than elections and diplomacy.

A problem in revealed in his speeches. He did a monologue to the unions about how all wage rises are a result of the union movement (incorrect), then the next day he says the same thing to teachers and schools (comic). The end result will be similar to tony blair. Sucking up to every side of the population stops you planning any long-term or consistent policies, because any consistent political philosophy or reforms will make, in the short run, another area of the population worse off. A nice example of this is factor-mobility (--is factor mobility a justification for the occasional recession?). You don't get labour mobility without lay-offs

muse · 10-08-2009, 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Plastic Flute

His numbers are falling. He is the WORST!!!!

Why? Do you have any concrete reasons? Just wondering.

I think Obama is alright. And I think the worst people ever are Hitler and Stalin. I don't think I need to explain why.

Moshe.. · 10-08-2009, 01:21 PM

He's not going to be the worst president. He's similar to tony blair, which is better than e.g. gordon brown but not thatcher. The point about reagan or thatcher (or clement attlee, if you want someone on the left) is that they thought out their political philosophy and a way to re-structure our institutions before they ran for election. Every policy they do is planned in advance and can be traced back to consistent principles or philosophy. That way they're less interested in how popular each policy is

Moshe.. · 10-09-2009, 11:13 AM

And now they give him a peace prize? which almost puts him in a embarrassing position.
Is it a kind of lobbying
It would be interesting to see the people who decided this

**Frasier** · 10-09-2009, 01:04 PM

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And now they give him a peace prize

What a sh!t... ridiculous.

**MSFixR** · 10-09-2009, 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Moshe..

It would be interesting to see the people who decided this

This describes the process.

FireBird · 10-09-2009, 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Plastic Flute

His numbers are falling. He is the WORST!!!!

Very griping and constructive argument, full of volume, wow. [/sarcasm]

It's funny how when bush jr was on, all of these repugs were like "we back up our president no matter what", but now they're quick on the "B!tch and Moan" trigger.

And now Obama's awarded the Nobel Peace Prize.

ROFLcakes!

**MSFixR** · 10-09-2009, 05:38 PM

How come Hillary has black hands and Michelle has white hands?

FireBird · 10-09-2009, 06:05 PM

Isn't it obvious?

Hillary's really a black woman.

muse · 10-09-2009, 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Frasier

What a sh!t... ridiculous.

You're just jealous.

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Originally Posted by FireBird

Moshe.. · 10-09-2009, 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by MSFixR

This describes the process.

I think they tried to use a pygmalion effect on him? The nobel people behave like witches. Like throwing a hex. If you put a saintly image on someone he'll find it harder to threaten iran or order a troop surge to afghanistan (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P4wL5t8YH1Q)? But it looks too silly to be taken seriously. And the fox people seem to be happy about it, I've never seen them smiling this much http://www.tikilive.com/show/fox--news

It would be amusing but there must be plenty of unrecognised dissidents who actually deserve a prize

**MSFixR** · 10-10-2009, 06:54 AM

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It would be amusing but there must be plenty of unrecognised dissidents who actually deserve a prize

Certainly not those kooks promoting the Tea Party.

**Frasier** · 10-10-2009, 07:02 AM

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Originally Posted by muse

You're just jealous.

Sure, the money would be nice!

But seriously the NP, for what? For plans?

Moshe.. · 10-10-2009, 10:41 AM

They'll make him give the money to charity. He should donate it to bo, that would be a clever move. Also tax loop. It was his birthday, as malia said. "We have a three day weekend", sasha added. It's good to have kids to keep things in perspective. They should have given him the literature prize. IF toni morrison can win it...
The fact they awarded him the one that al gore has is 100%proof of my theory. They want tie up his hands. They don't even like him that much. Churchill won for literature
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z1dxEQOqZjw

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Moshe.. Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: hampstead Posts: 1,161 My Profile	He's not going to be the worst president. He's similar to tony blair, which is better than e.g. gordon brown but not thatcher. The point about reagan or thatcher (or clement attlee, if you want someone on the left) is that they thought out their political philosophy and a way to re-structure our institutions before they ran for election. Every policy they do is planned in advance and can be traced back to consistent principles or philosophy. That way they're less interested in how popular each policy is Last edited by Moshe..; 10-09-2009 at 11:19 AM..

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Moshe.. Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: hampstead Posts: 1,161 My Profile	And now they give him a peace prize? which almost puts him in a embarrassing position. Is it a kind of lobbying It would be interesting to see the people who decided this Last edited by Moshe..; 10-09-2009 at 11:28 AM..

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Moshe.. Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: hampstead Posts: 1,161 My Profile	They'll make him give the money to charity. He should donate it to bo, that would be a clever move. Also tax loop. It was his birthday, as malia said. "We have a three day weekend", sasha added. It's good to have kids to keep things in perspective. They should have given him the literature prize. IF toni morrison can win it... The fact they awarded him the one that al gore has is 100%proof of my theory. They want tie up his hands. They don't even like him that much. Churchill won for literature http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z1dxEQOqZjw Last edited by Moshe..; 10-10-2009 at 12:55 PM..

10-08-2009, 12:16 PM	#2 (permalink)
Moshe.. Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: hampstead Posts: 1,161 My Profile	In foreign policy he's been cleverer than you'd expect. There's some calculation in the way he acts with russia and iran. His domestic politics is lacking. Does he even have a politics - it may be impolite to ask -? Outwitting other politicians for popularity can count as real victory against a foreign country. But winning popularity in a domestic occasion like cash for clunkers isn't a success, because resources can be wasted whether or not your population understands how (people might believe the broken window fallacy but that doesn't stop broken windows costing resources). The effectiveness of domestic policy is more observer-independent than elections and diplomacy. A problem in revealed in his speeches. He did a monologue to the unions about how all wage rises are a result of the union movement (incorrect), then the next day he says the same thing to teachers and schools (comic). The end result will be similar to tony blair. Sucking up to every side of the population stops you planning any long-term or consistent policies, because any consistent political philosophy or reforms will make, in the short run, another area of the population worse off. A nice example of this is factor-mobility (--is factor mobility a justification for the occasional recession?). You don't get labour mobility without lay-offs

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MSFixR Moderate Moderator Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Dante's Inferno, Circle 5 Posts: 13,280 My Profile	How come Hillary has black hands and Michelle has white hands?

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FireBird Get some! Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 454 My Profile	Isn't it obvious? Hillary's really a black woman.

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