Clinton Wins Pa.

[Plastic Flute]

Ok this may be a good thing.

[Captain Beefheart]

That's horrible. Guess who's got a spanish (by extension EU) citizenship? Give up? Not you! Ohh well, I will send you a postcard while you choke on the ash from your fossilized fuels and plastic dildos, foolish americans. HAHHAHA.

But seriously. I guess Obama's message in PA, as in anywhere where the white people, largely who ran the black folks out a long time ago (if they ever lived there in the first place) isn't trying to convince them that he's the sort of guy they want to "have a beer with" or go bowling with or whatever. He needed to show the *regular Americans* that he cares, that he's willing to do something about addressing the glaring deficits in their lives and show them that those deficits are committed on a macro level, by trade policies and taxation policies, for instance, that Obama is committed to fighting against. I imagine that there are some, and their comments in the news and in polls back this up, who find Obama's "bitter" comments, as he intended, as a commitment to addressing the fundamental problems in those communities. It doesn't help a damn person to act like those problems don't exist. As the meth labs and Wal-Marts proliferate, there must be a bunch of people who are bitter and fed up with being tokenized as the "heartland" at election time and then forgotten when it's time to distribute resources or sign a trade agreement.

But hey Hilary cares about them i'm sure.

[MSFixR]

Originally Posted by Captain Beefheart

But hey Hilary cares about them i'm sure.

The Democratic party is self-disintegrating.

[Jocasta]

Please don't tell me Beefy's moving to Europe?!

The Republicans must be loving this.

[Blackmask]

Originally Posted by MSFixR

The Democratic party is self-disintegrating.

Are you there yet? Has someone won something important yet?

[MSFixR]

Originally Posted by Blackmask

Are you there yet? Has someone won something important yet?

Not yet. The children are still fighting over the marbles.

[Captain Beefheart]

Originally Posted by Jocasta

Please don't tell me Beefy's moving to Europe?!

The Republicans must be loving this.

The Democratic party needs to erase the left-right dichotomy in politics, which is really the true mindf!uck, far more than the two-party system. The problem is that progressive ideals have not been well-articulated since FDR. That's a long-ass time ago. The American people are far more left than they think they are.

[Jim Halpert]

My rod curves down a bit, but leans to the left.

Of course, I'm talking about my sickle. The one I have in my hand. I'm not hanging brain, you sickos.

[darko.]

wow she won! but it loooked like she might not??!! how...CINEMATIC

[Plastic Flute]

Originally Posted by MSFixR

The Democratic party is self-disintegrating.

You said it.

Hillary needs her kitchen sink.

[Dennis]

Hillary didn't win the Pennsylvania primary.

John McCain did.

[Wolf]

Meh, she only beat Obama. I could care-less. This year's election is not worth voting. I just have a couple requests, lower gas prices, reduce taxes, and give me loans.

[MSFixR]

Originally Posted by S.O.A.P

Meh, she only beat Obama. I could care-less. This year's election is not worth voting. I just have a couple requests, lower gas prices, reduce taxes, and give me loans.

Every election in a free society is worth voting in. You only miss what you have when you no longer have it.

[Wolf]

Define "free society" please. I don't think its worth voting if the e-college will disregard public suggestion.

[MSFixR]

The electorial college was the product of another time and its time is past; it should be abolished.

[Moshe..]

Originally Posted by MSFixR

Every election in a free society is worth voting in. You only miss what you have when you no longer have it.

Bothering to vote is irrational, unless you happen to particularly enjoy the feeling. Voting might be collectively rational, but that is on the macro level. It is individually irrational. Game-theory is fun.

ANother thing I find strange is how we're supposed to encourage young and uneducated people to vote. How embarrassing that obama is still in the race.

[Wolf]

Obama just has those speeches that seems to entice people. HE lacks experience, but he does have charisma. He should have endorsed Hilary instead and with more political experience run in 2016 (IMO). I dislike John McCain; being against stem cells is a bad move.

[Dennis]

Originally Posted by Moshe..

Bothering to vote is irrational, unless you happen to particularly enjoy the feeling. Voting might be collectively rational, but that is on the macro level. It is individually irrational. Game-theory is fun.

ANother thing I find strange is how we're supposed to encourage young and uneducated people to vote. How embarrassing that obama is still in the race.

Voting may be an imperfect tool for aggregating social choice, but the decision to vote is in no way individually irrational. It may seem irrational to support someone with no chance or, even more frustratingly, a condorcet candidate!

[Moshe..]

Suddenly remembered I posted this! NIce to see somebody replied! It is irrational since your vote won’t make any difference. Elections are never affected by a single vote. It may be clearer for us to say politically-irrational. Us game theorists merely plug a utility function in front of your preference set: the set is yours to fill. For all I know you might obtain erotic gratification from the act of voting. Participatory governance certainly carries the risks of those other activities of arousal (nous avons l'esprit républicain dans les veines comme la syphilis dans les os). But insofar as your preference set includes the wish for a particular election result, then you might as well stay at home for hollyoaks. If we were group you together with the other people who want the same candidate to win, then we generate the strange result that, while it would be rational for everyone in your group to vote, such behaviour remains irrational for each of its members. If you want to be really german, you could invoke the categorical imperative - it is your duty to vote! Ok I did feel a stirring of the loins upon entering the voting booth last month, a sensual frisson at the thought of mayor bj and our imminent liberation from cockney-stalin, a liberation in which i nonetheless had no part to play. Very tragic

[MSFixR]

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