Please Help Stop These Cruelties To Animals!

[Gertrude]

Please watch these videos and please seriously consider becoming a vegetarian.
( Am a vegan, btw.)

Alec Baldwin Narrates in Meet your Meat

Pam Anderson Vs. KFC

Three Reasons Not To Eat Fish: The Animals, The Environment, Your Health

Foie de Gras: Delcacy of Despair


Health Benefits of Veganism

Health benefits are one of the main reasons why everyone should become a vegan. The primary benefits are: weight loss, lower cholesterol and blood pressure, less use of medication, avoiding surgery and cancer, feeling more energized, and looking great.

Many people think that to loss weight you have to starve yourself. This kind of diet is definitely not healthy and causes anorexia and bulimia. If you want to lose weight, veganism is your answer. With a vegan lifestyle you do not have to cut back on your eating portions. It mainly consists of fruit, which have very little fat, vegetables, which have no fat, grains, which take more calories to digest then they have in them, and nuts, which have a good kind of fat but can become fattening if eaten all the time.

Lower cholesterol and blood pressure is a very important benefit. High cholesterol and high blood pressure cause heart attacks and strokes.
Both of these diseases clog your arteries and slow down your blood circulation. By eliminating animal products from your diet, which contain high amounts of cholesterol, you will automatically lower your cholesterol. Your blood pressure will drop within a few weeks of eating the right nutritious foods.

Less use of medication is a health and money saving benefit. Most doctors prescribe prescriptions for high cholesterol and blood pressure, stress, and weight loss. Vegans have low cholesterol and blood pressure. Most vegans also do not need weight loss pills. It is also proven that eating a lot of tofu and soy products help you to handle stress better. Therefore you do not need to spend your money and take pills that are unnecessary.

Some of the surgeries that you can help to prevent and possibly avoid with veganism include open heart, angioplasty, vein stripping, and surgeries for cancer.

Cancer is another disease that veganism will help you to avoid. Most vegans try to stay away from a lot of pesticides, chemicals, and preservatives in their foods, some of which have been proven to cause cancer. Studies have been done and have proven that vegetarians and vegans are a class of people with the least amount of cancer.

Having more energy is another benefit. By not eating high portions of fat and sugar you will naturally have more energy. Most people who consume a lot of high fat and sugar foods have less energy and tend to drag all day long. Instead, by eating a lot of vegetables and grains you will have more energy.

Looking great is pretty much self-explanatory. Everyone wants to feel and look his or her best. With more energy and weighing less you will automatically feel and look great. However to have that “buffed” gym look, you need to exercise daily. There are many people that ask how vegans get all their vitamins and nutrition by not eating any animal products. Actually a vegan diet is healthier and contains a lot more vitamins than the alternative.
No diet is a guaranteed solution to every health problem, but a vegan lifestyle is one of the best decisions you can make to preserve and improve
your health.

[Jocasta]

Stop animal cruelty, yes but keep eating meat. It is possible if you care about the source of your meat; choose carefully and yes, pay a little more but improving animal welfare is a more realistic goal than expecting everyone to stop eating meat and meat products for good.

[Gertrude]

But I also heard that in America organic animal farming is being restricted. Some that do are arrested.

[open32]

Im probably not going to be a vegan. We just had a federal investigation of a meat company (that supplied meat to public schools) that was being so cruel to cows, beating them with sticks, pushing them into pens with forklifts, and punching them in the nose for really no reason. Someone took and aired hidden camara video of all this. Its terrible and people are probably going to go to jail for that soon.

But I also heard that in America organic animal farming is being restricted. Some that do are arrested.

Not that I know of. We have organic food including meats; and grocery stores that sell only organic food are becoming much more populare all over the place. The issue is there usualy quite a bit more expencive for many things.

[Captain Beefheart]

I'm happy as an omnivore.

What do we want? Niche markets! When do we want them? When they're profitable!

Part of my problem with veganism in general is that it is often manifested by a lifestyle moralism that's abstracted from the material, economic realities of a world in which cruelty to animals is infrastructural and not merely reflected in consumer-end purchases.

[darko.]

screw off hippie

meat doesnt give you cancer. grains do

[Gertrude]

Originally Posted by Captain Beefheart

I'm happy as an omnivore.

What do we want? Niche markets! When do we want them? When they're profitable!

Part of my problem with veganism in general is that it is often manifested by a lifestyle moralism that's abstracted from the material, economic realities of a world in which cruelty to animals is infrastructural and not merely reflected in consumer-end purchases.

What do you mean by that? You mean you don't care when other animals suffer to satisfy your tastebuds? What moralism?

Originally Posted by darko

screw off hippie

meat doesnt give you cancer. grains do

Excuse me, but I am no hippie. Read below and see that meat causes cancer.

Since President Richard Nixon declared a "war on cancer" in 1972, that "war" has become a losing battle. Every year, billions of dollars are spent on cancer research, detection, and treatment in the United States, yet cancer remains one of our nation's top killers.

Fortunately, there's something we can do about it. According to the World Health Organization, up to 40 percent of all cancers are preventable, and one-third of all cancer deaths in the U.S. can be attributed to nutritional factors, according the American Cancer Society (ACS).

Vegan diets maximize the foods that help us fight cancer-fiber-packed grains and beans and phytochemical-packed fruits and vegetables-and minimize the foods that cause cancer. Combine these two factors, according to the Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine, and the scientific evidence is clear: "Vegetarians are about 40 percent less likely to get cancer than nonvegetarians, regardless of other risks such as smoking, body size, and socioeconomic status."

One study compared cancer rates of vegetarians and meat-eaters in 34,000 Americans. The results showed that those who avoided meat, fish, and poultry had dramatically lower rates of prostate, ovarian, and colon cancer compared to meat-eaters.

An 11-year-long German study involving more than 800 vegetarian men found their cancer rates were less than half those of the general public. The lowest cancer rates were found in those who had avoided meat for 20 years or more. Studies in Japan and Sweden also have shown lower risk among vegetarians. It seems that with every bite of meat, we increase our risk of cancer. Luckily, we can eliminate animal products from our diets and replace them with vegetable proteins that can protect our health instead of harm it.

Dr. T. Colin Campbell, arguably the foremost epidemiological researcher alive today, argues that animal proteins are the prime carcinogen in meat and dairy products. Says Dr. Campbell, "[H]uman studies also support this carcinogenic effect of animal protein, even at usual levels of consumption. No chemical carcinogen is nearly so important in causing human cancer as animal protein."

But fat is a culprit, too: Higher-fat diets raise estrogen levels, whereas plant-based diets keep it at a safe level, which doesn't promote the growth of cancer cells. Luckily, fiber-a nutrient plentiful in vegetarian diets-helps our bodies eliminate excess estrogen, thus cutting cancer risk.

Click here to read about specific carcinogens in meat, such as arsenic in chicken and mercury in fish.

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Originally Posted by open32

Not that I know of. We have organic food including meats; and grocery stores that sell only organic food are becoming much more populare all over the place. The issue is there usualy quite a bit more expencive for many things.

Here's what I read.

More information on the Agri-business sector from The American Vegetable Grower, February 2008 issue, page 44 in the article entitled; Food Safety. This now a planned implementation and will be done once all the states are ready. All domesticated livestock must now be tagged, regardless of whether or not it is legal.

In Michigan, for example, the Marxist state and Jew federal governments are systematically eliminating every farm with livestock that are not tagged with an RF-ID. The process is expensive and only the large corporate congressionally owned agri-companies can afford the procedure. Last week a large dairy farm several miles from my home was euthanatized about a 1000 head of cattle, and the owner who had court documents prohibiting the act was thrown in jail while his herd was put down by state law enforcement. A couple of weeks before that it was a gentleman who raised other peoples animals organically for private use in a local city. His was estimated at 100 head of cattle. This is a deliberate and illegal destruction of small agri-businesses who cannot comply with the requirement.

By the time the crop measures are implemented the government will control all food production in the US directly. The livestock issue is happening across the nation as I write and is not in the news.

It is being published in local agri-pubs and is expected to peak at a level where the governments (federal/state) are able to implement individual animal control registration of residences with 1 or more livestock ... i.e. a chicken or rabbit, etc. All the small organic businesses in the meanwhile are being systematically wiped out if they don't cooperate.

Acres USA is full of horror stories. I can only hope that these initiatives self-destruct financially before this is complete. Your financial information lends credence to this, as well as reports about the bird-flu epidemic botch by the WHO. Acres USA printed a study on the bird-flu epidemic.

Their researchers discovered a selenium deficiency in all the collected bird carcasses they tested at locals where a bird-flu epidemic occurred. They then ran a test study with a test group that received selenium supplementation and a control group that was selenium deficient.

Both groups were exposed to massive quantities of the bird-flu virus for the period of the test. Only the control group contracted bird-flu. Also, personal home gardening is expected to come on the chopping block. At present only Minneapolis has a law forbidding gardening in the city for human consumption that I am aware of. Supposedly because of high lead content in the soil - not a legitimate reason for such action or so I am told. It seems to me what is happening is very alarming.

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[open32]

Excuse me, but I am no hippie. Read below and see that meat causes cancer.

He is just being Darko. He will say something like that whether he read the thread or not.

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About the source not only its it filled with false information but worse then that is he is trying to make a point by being clearly racist and anti-semitic...thats just discussing.

Also it doesnt say anything on organic. RDIF chips wouldnt make something organic or not. Not only that but there is no law. My dog has one, its like a bar code in case it gets lost.

Every topic on that sites forum is just a bunch of nutty conspiracy theory propaganda crap, kinda like Kat Hak Sung int he thread just below this one.

Part of my problem with veganism in general is that it is often manifested by a lifestyle moralism that's abstracted from the material, economic realities of a world in which cruelty to animals is infrastructural and not merely reflected in consumer-end purchases.

Some people say that about the Go Green movement.

You dont have to be a vegitarian to be against cruelty to animals. Also there is a little more then that with organic, I have been in the Organic grocery store several times and the fruit does taste and look better. And especialy the fish, there is a clear difference in a farm raised salmon and a fresh one; look, taste, nutrients.

[Gertrude]

Do you think the The American Vegetable Grower magazine is lying? Then why did they not sue it? I'm no racist at all, I am just a concerned individual.

Also my point is when I quoted "The American Vegetable Grower" is that they are discouraging small time animal farmers which usually are not as mechanized as the big ones. Whether this is true or not I don't know; in my opinion I believe it is true.

[Jocasta]

I am just a concerned individual.

The inference being meat eaters are not. Not so. You haven't addressed my point that choosing meat from well cared for animals and campaigning for animal welfare in farming is a more effective way to protect the animals you're concerned about.

[CaseyM]

Originally Posted by Jocasta

choosing meat from well cared for animals and campaigning for animal welfare in farming is a more effective way to protect the animals you're concerned about.

Sounds good to me. Eating meat isn't cruel. Treating it badly is.

Gertrude, if it's your belief that killing an animal for food source is cruel, think again. You also kill the carrot when you use it as food source. Veganism isn't the answer. It's an option and maybe a solution, but it's not the answer. It's an answer. Your concern is appreciated.

[open32]

Do you think the The American Vegetable Grower magazine is lying?

No, the website is ether lying or wrong, probably not the magazine. They ether read it wrong or are just printing what they want, which from everything else on the site looks like the case.

You can look at the The American Vegetable Grower magazine news archives, there no mention of any killing of thousands of cattle, eliminating farms, or jailing people (which would never happen, the whole article the website has is totally absurd.)
http://www.americanvegetablegrower.com/veggie_bytes/page.php?page=news

You can also look at USA Today for an article about RDIF chips in cattle, which isnt mandatory.
http://www.usatoday.com/tech/news/techinnovations/2006-05-21-rfid-cattle_x.htm

[Gertrude]

Originally Posted by Jocasta

The inference being meat eaters are not. Not so. You haven't addressed my point that choosing meat from well cared for animals and campaigning for animal welfare in farming is a more effective way to protect the animals you're concerned about.

In ths very commercialised world the demand always outweighs the supply. Sooner or later this organic farmers will be tempted to increase their output, which will trigger the cycle. That's why I said it's best to go vegetarian.

Originally Posted by CaseyM

Sounds good to me. Eating meat isn't cruel. Treating it badly is.

Gertrude, if it's your belief that killing an animal for food source is cruel, think again. You also kill the carrot when you use it as food source. Veganism isn't the answer. It's an option and maybe a solution, but it's not the answer. It's an answer. Your concern is appreciated.

Thanks...but honestly a carrot can't feel anything...it doesn't cry, jerk, or squeal when you uproot it.

Originally Posted by open32

No, the website is ether lying or wrong, probably not the magazine. They ether read it wrong or are just printing what they want, which from everything else on the site looks like the case.

You can look at the The American Vegetable Grower magazine news archives, there no mention of any killing of thousands of cattle, eliminating farms, or jailing people (which would never happen, the whole article the website has is totally absurd.)
http://www.americanvegetablegrower.c....php?page=news

You can also look at USA Today for an article about RDIF chips in cattle, which isnt mandatory.
http://www.usatoday.com/tech/news/te...d-cattle_x.htm

I will check on this later. As for this link http://www.americanvegetablegrower.c....php?page=news it does not give page 44 of the February issue.

[MSFixR]

Originally Posted by Gertrude

Thanks...but honestly a carrot can't feel anything...it doesn't cry, jerk, or squeal when you uproot it.

How do you know? Could it be that we are not able to communicate on the carrot's level and therefore do not understand the trauma it is experiencing?

[Gertrude]

With all tests performed on it, the carrot displays no level of intelligence, which all animals possess, although in varying degrees.

[MSFixR]

What do those scientists know? Look at the film "The Thing", it was based on an actual event that the military covered up because they were afraid the Ruskies might learn of it.

[open32]

I will check on this later. As for this link http://www.americanvegetablegrower.c....php?page=news it does not give page 44 of the February issue.

uh? My only advice left is Not to beleive everything you read.

[CaseyM]

Originally Posted by MSFixR

How do you know? Could it be that we are not able to communicate on the carrot's level and therefore do not understand the trauma it is experiencing?

Originally Posted by Gertrude

With all tests performed on it, the carrot displays no level of intelligence, which all animals possess, although in varying degrees.

Well said, MSFixR.

Gertrude. like it or not, plants are all living creatures, and the only reason we would think they're not intelligent is because we're not on their level. No intelligence? How would you explain seeds having the ability to fly for miles with tiny propeller-like extensions so that the wind can take them? Or how a fragile flower can break through stone and concrete? They live, they breathe, they breed. It's ludicrous to believe they don't feel.

[darko.]

yes and I've read studies mentioning eskimos suddenly getting cancer once grains were introduced into their diet after wwII. prior to that they lived on the normal eskimo diet...FAT

meat doesn't cause cancer. grains do

and hormones and OTHER THINGS THAT A LIVING THING SHOULD NOT CONSUUME

don't confuse hormone injected meat with REAL MEAT that is perfectly safe to eat. gross, but safe. those studies don't say that meat and high fat diets cause cancer.

i like pears

[CaseyM]

Pears remind me of City of Angels.