Iranian piracy on the high seas

[Moshe..]

DOes anyone understand why the iranians keep stealing our sailors? What are they thinking. They're just making themselves unpopular and I can't see any benefits. Back in the day, we'd have sent in the gunboats by now.

In the earlier part of the second world war iran decided to join the axis. Two little australian boats, hmas yarra, a sloop, and hmas kanimbla, an armed merchant cruiser, were dispatched. They sank the iranian navy in time for supper and there was no more trouble.

[open32]

There already unpopulare with the nuck program.

I really dont get why they havent released them already. There is nothing to gain, there only using it for popaganda in there own country. But all there going to do is piss off the British people. A lot of people would already like to sink there navy again, this is giving them the reason.

[Moshe..]

Yes I think so. Ahmadinejad is trying to win some sort of degenerate persian popularity contest. He wants to put on a pageant and show. It obviously entertains the barbarians. But it is also just the thing to turn international opinion against you - which is really not very clever. The russians were already showing signs of a possible desertion this week. China will follow.

[Krypton]

A story always has 2 perspectives.

While, the iranian government are saying that the 15 soldiers, were in iranian water, and therefor got taken, the british government says that that is not true, but for some reason, the iraqien sailors out in the waters near the place where this took place, are also saying that they were not inside Iraqian waters. You see? so you shoudnt say that, the iranian people have no right to hold the 15 soldiers back.
They are currently investigating wether they truelly were in iranian waters.

And open32, I noticed that you said, something about the nuck programs in Iran, which makes them unpopulare.

Why cant all the governments just leave them alone, especially the US.
Since the US are the only country who´ve seriusly used a nuclear bomb at a point, they have absolutely no right to claim a country from not starting on such a nuck program.

[MSFixR]

Originally Posted by Moshe..

Back in the day, we'd have sent in the gunboats by now.

The "gunboats" are coming: http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/meast/....ap/index.html

[open32]

iranian government are saying that the 15 soldiers, were in iranian water

They could have been but it doesn really matter. Waters are breached all the time, usualy a coast gaurdship will say please turn around. These were 2 inflatable rafts not an invation. The thing to do would be to pick them up then send them back, this is becoming kidnapping. Theres no point to it.

Why cant all the governments just leave them alone, especially the US.
Since the US are the only country who´ve seriusly used a nuclear bomb at a point, they have absolutely no right to claim a country from not starting on such a nuck program.

This argument doesnt work. Its like saying just because one cop acidently shot someone once, all people have the right to shoot cops.

Using a nuke was probably not a good idea, but it was somethign that happend 50 years ago, it doesnt now give all countries the right to use them. Iran has made many public coments in the past that show its willingness to do so. This is reason enough to try and stop them from getting that ability.

[MSFixR]

The world has experienced two instances of countries trying to acquire or expland nuclear capabilities in recent time - North Korea and Iran. In the former case, it was a ploy by the North Koreans to gain favorable monetary concessions from the US and other countries to alleviate some of the harsh conditions in that country and thereby possibly prevent an overthrow of the existing government. In the latter case it is that of what many consider to be an unstable government trying to further destabilize the political situation in the Middle East, aided by the economic interest of the Soviet Union which is supplying materials and technology to the Iranians. It is my opinion that in neither case would such acquisition or expansion be in the best interest of the earth's population as a whole.

[Krypton]

Originally Posted by open32

They could have been but it doesn really matter. Waters are breached all the time, usualy a coast gaurdship will say please turn around. These were 2 inflatable rafts not an invation. The thing to do would be to pick them up then send them back, this is becoming kidnapping. Theres no point to it.


This argument doesnt work. Its like saying just because one cop acidently shot someone once, all people have the right to shoot cops.

Using a nuke was probably not a good idea, but it was somethign that happend 50 years ago, it doesnt now give all countries the right to use them. Iran has made many public coments in the past that show its willingness to do so. This is reason enough to try and stop them from getting that ability.

Its true that the water lines are broken alot, but the choice of Iran to arrest those 15 soldiers is their own choice, and if the 15 soldiers truelly did cross the line, Iran has the right to keep them.
But please. Do not anderstand me wrong, I to want this ti end nicely, but you cant say that Iran have no right to keep them.

The 15 soldiers should not have maken such mistake of entering the iranian waters, if thats the case. they should have known the consequences.
It dosent matter wether it was an invation or what ever.
Entering the iranian waters is just a wrong thing to do without permission.
The 15 soldiers had no right to enter the iranian water, and it dosent matter for what reason it was.
So as bad as this may sound. The 15 soldiers created the problem.
But if the case is that they did not enter the iranian waters, i fully agree with you.

I think i get your example what you wanna call it. By you making one I´ll make one to:P

Even though this is not related to it, i can use this example.
2 people are married, the man decides to cheat on his wife, and the next day the wife finds out. The wife decides to cheat on another man, and the next day the man finds out and tells her not to cheat on him.

Sounds stupid dosent it? Same thing with this sittuation.

I know that just because the US used an nuclbomb, dosent mean that all other countries can use it. But knowing that the only country in the world who actully have used such mass distruct weopen, and killed tons of thousand of people, and are now standing and forbidden a country from having, such program. Even thought the country is telling them, that it is not for bad purposes.
You see, it just dosent fit! Its not right for a country to say such thing when they are the only one who´ve actully ever used it.
Besides 50 years. That aint no long time, people shoudnt forget what hapend that day, because of time. 200.000 people were killed and even more got all kind of diseases. And even today, some grandchildrens of those people are suffering. Such thing shoudnt be forgot. Its the worst thing ever hapend to mankind, and should never be forgotten. Same for 9/11.

But, all other countries have the full right to try and stop them from continuing their program, even though I bet no one will do anything about it in the end.

[Frasier]

Or he's just nuts.

[open32]

You see, it just dosent fit! Its not right for a country to say such thing when they are the only one who´ve actully ever used it.

But is avoiding hypocrisy really as important as stopping a country that may use nuclear weapons in the future from getting them.

they should have known the consequences.

But what are consequences for something like this. Usually its just tell them to leave or capture them then release them. It certainly shouldn’t be a prison sentence for crossing into waters. I do think that after a lot of talk and posturing they will release them.

In the latter case it is that of what many consider to be an unstable government trying to further destabilize the political situation in the Middle East

Iran is the more scary one. Unlike NK they have the money to do it and its based on an ideology where NK's leader just wants money like a thug, he has no backing of his people or loyalty to the program. Iran wants to be important, they want to be the most powerful country in the Middle East. Iran has loyalists and extremists capable of suicide attacks.

[MSFixR]

Originally Posted by open32

But is avoiding hypocrisy really as important as stopping a country that may use nuclear weapons in the future from getting them.


But what are consequences for something like this. Usually its just tell them to leave or capture them then release them. It certainly shouldn’t be a prison sentence for crossing into waters. I do think that after a lot of talk and posturing they will release them.

Iran is the more scary one. Unlike NK they have the money to do it and its based on an ideology where NK's leader just wants money like a thug, he has no backing of his people or loyalty to the program. Iran wants to be important, they want to be the most powerful country in the Middle East. Iran has loyalists and extremists capable of suicide attacks.

Remember the incident with the USS Pueblo and North Korea many years ago?

I think both situations are equally scary. Right now, North Korea has nuclear weapons but not the long range delivery systems. However its just a matter of time and I'm afraid unless there is a total boycott of technology and equipment to Iran, they will have nuclear capability also.

[open32]

North Korea has nuclear weapons

There last test did kind of fail, im not sure they are ready take the chance and weaponize it yet. Missiles are not as bad as terrorists as they can be shot down by the Aegis ships we have surrounding NK

Remember the incident with the USS Peublo and North Korea many years ago?

No I dont, ill have to google it later.

[Krypton]

Open belive me i agree with you in most of the things you say.

1 more country in the world owning an such weopens will never be a better thing. But when they´ve said millions of times that they will not abuse it and that the program is only made for good benefits, there really isnt alot other countries can say, (again) especially the US, as being the only country ever abused the weopen and created the horror of an atomic bomb.

Water lines are the same as checkpoints at all countri lines. When getting to a checkpoint you can not just go through. You just dont cross such lines without permission. Every one knows that, and those 15 soldiers should have known that to. And especially crossing it, in countries like Iran will create troubles. Iran dosent handle the same things as the europian and american countries would do, they have a difrent culture, difrent life, difrent rules, anyone entering a country as that should not complain when getting in trouble.
That is what hapend to those 15 mens, they entered a country and got in trouble. So from my perspective, if they truelly did cross the water lines Iran has the full right to keep them, but 1 thing is for shure.
Dont hurt and torture 15 mens, even though they are soldiers, for the people , who in real are giving them terrible orders to do.

[open32]

This is just the problem its going to cause. 2 US aircraft carriers sitting right off there cost. Just one more thing to instigate a millitary action

http://us.video.aol.com/snag/?pmmsid=1875718&autoplay=0

[darko.]

yarrrr

[Moshe..]

It is five days now! This is such bad behaviour from the Iranians.

[Krypton]

Nah. We´ll see who the bad behaviour truelly is comming from, soon.

[Moshe..]

This whole thing was very mysterious and surreal. I suppose, at least, it was mildly entertaining, while it lasted.