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**Val** · 03-29-2009, 08:06 PM

Brawn one-two in thrilling 2009 opener

Jenson Button driving the Brawn GP car at Melbourne

March 29th, 2009 (GMM) The 2009 championship opener on Sunday lived up to its pre-season hype, with Jenson Button leading an eventful Brawn one-two at Albert Park.

The Briton, after two awful seasons for the Brackley team's previous guise Honda, crossed the line less than a second ahead of his teammate Rubens Barrichello, after a one-corner sprint to the finish following a safety car.

The safety car was required after Sebastian Vettel and Robert Kubica, fighting hard for second place, tangled mere laps from the chequered flag.

"I'm so sorry," German Vettel whimpered into his Red Bull's radio.

"I think he could have left me some more room," BMW's Kubica, who had subsequently slammed hard into the turn 5 barriers after losing a wing under the car, told reporters behind the pitlane.

Their clash gifted the second step on the podium to Barrichello, who had a race of incidents, including nearly stalling at the start, triggering a first-corner crash, and later shedding some more front wing by tagging the rear of a Ferrari.

Jarno Trulli completed the podium despite starting from the pitlane following the 'flexi wing' disqualification of Saturday, ahead of a surprised world champion Lewis Hamilton.

"Our car is what it is at the moment, but if anyone can turn it around quite quickly, it is us," the McLaren driver, one of only a few to stay out of trouble on Sunday, said in the paddock.

2009's only rookie, Sebastien Buemi, attracted some criticism this weekend for being promoted by Red Bull ahead of arguably more qualified GP2 drivers, but performed strongly to finish ahead of his teammate Sebastien Bourdais for a debut point.

Local driver Mark Webber was bitterly disappointed to finish a lap down and last. "It wasn't really embarrassing," said the Australian, who nursed a damaged car through 57 laps after early contact with Barrichello, "but a real shame as I wanted to do something for the fans here."

Ferrari kicked off its 2009 campaign with a disastrous nil points: Kimi Raikkonen spinning into a concrete wall and later retiring, while Felipe Massa also ended up in the garage with a failed F60.

Best moments:

Top 3 qualifiers for the 2009 Austrialian F1 GP. 1st Jenson Button (BrawnGP), 2nd Rubens Barrichello (BrawnGP) and 3rd Sebastian Vettel (Red Bull).

Jenson Button and Nick Fry

Jenson Button going fast at Melbourne, driving his Brawn GP car, for the first time at in competition

Next race:

Sepang - Malaysia

Friday 3 April
04:00 - 05:30: Practice 1
08:00 - 09:30: Practice 2

Saturday 4 April
08:00 - 09:00: Practice
11:00: Qualifying

Sunday 5 April
17:00: Race

Good luck!

Blackmask · 04-03-2009, 11:28 AM

Ron isn't going to like his team being the second Mercedes team in the game.

**Val** · 04-03-2009, 11:58 AM

Hey Blackmask ...
good to see you here!

**Jocasta** · 04-03-2009, 01:38 PM

It was a fantastic opening race and so save family argument I suggest Val and I follow Brawn (Jenson and Rubens/ England and Brazil)!

**Jocasta** · 04-20-2009, 03:39 AM

What a fabulous start to the season, it's just had everything already! I was never a massive fan of the sport but I'm enjoying it more and more... plus my daughter is heavily into it, which helps.
Vettel is such a exciting young driver, great to see his win yesterday.

**Val** · 04-20-2009, 06:09 PM

Sorry mummy! I had to update this topic yesterday, but I was busy and ... lazy to do it.

Red Bull finish one-two in Chinese rain

The nose of the Red Bull RB5

Apr.19 (GMM) Red Bull Racing recorded an historic first grand prix win in Chinese rain on Sunday, Sebastian Vettel leading home teammate Mark Webber for a dominant one-two.

"It's my second win in the wet," said German youngster Vettel, recalling his first win from pole for junior team Toro Rosso at Monza last year. "I don't think I will mind if we have some more rain!"

45 seconds down the road, Brawn's Jenson Button completed the podium, but he retains his championship lead, 6 points ahead of Rubens Barrichello, who finished behind the sister car in Shanghai.

Behind the four Red Bulls and Brawns came the two McLarens, with Heikki Kovalainen ahead of Lewis Hamilton, after the reigning world champion spun multiple times at the Shanghai International Circuit.

Toro Rosso rookie Sebastien Buemi scored a point, but he had hearts racing on the Red Bull-branded pitwalls at one point, clipping the rear of winner Vettel under safety car conditions.

"I am lucky to have been able to finish," Vettel said in the post-race press conference.

Fernando Alonso qualified second but finished out of the points, after his low-fuel strategy came to nought when he had to pit even before the long eight-lap safety car period ended at the wet start of the race.

Ferrari again failed to open its 2009 points account: Kimi Raikkonen looking sluggish en route to tenth, while a furious Felipe Massa ground to a halt behind the safety car.

Jarno Trulli also had to retire, after Robert Kubica smashed into the rear of his Toyota.

Adrian Sutil, meanwhile, almost collected debut points for Force India, until he spun and had a huge crash with just five laps to go.

Best moments:

Water man!!! Too much water!!!

Poor Safty Car... seems it's in a lake!

Chinese grid girls. At least was not raining.

Vettel and Button - 1st and 3rd places.

Next race

Bahrain

Friday 24 April
09:00 - 10:30: Practice 1
13:00 - 14:30: Practice 2

Saturday 25 April
10:00 - 11:00: Practice
13:00: Qualifying

Sunday 26 April
15:00: Race

Good luck!

**Plastic Flute** · 04-28-2009, 05:37 PM

Hey Val, and all. Some time ago a videao was posted from Utube (OMG it was hysterical) A women trying to pump gas from the wrong side of the car. Does anyone rem it? if so please post the link or Vid. ?

**Camino** · 04-28-2009, 06:22 PM

This has to be the one you are talking about...it is hilarious!

P.S. Just remember Val, not all us women are this lame!

**Plastic Flute** · 04-28-2009, 11:21 PM

thats the vid Cami, but the one that was posted a whlie back had the music from the Wizard of Oz if i only had a Brain lol

**Val** · 04-29-2009, 12:50 PM

Well ... the image is in black and white.
But doesn't seem that the woman is blonde.

Back to the topic...

Button extends title lead with Bahrain win

Apr.26 (GMM) Jenson Button extended his lead in the drivers' world championship to 12 points over his Brawn teammate Rubens Barrichello, by winning the Bahrain grand prix in sweltering conditions on Sunday.

After also winning in Australia and Malaysia, the 29-year-old Briton said the victory - over Red Bull's Sebastian Vettel - was his favourite of the season.

"We have been right on the edge with engine temperature, not quite always there with pace, so the races you aren't completely sure about are the ones that feel the best (to win)," team boss Ross Brawn told the BBC.

Shanghai winner Vettel now trails Button for the title by 13 points, while a further 3.5 points adrift is Jarno Trulli, who after scoring pole position in the Sakhir desert finished 2 seconds adrift of Vettel to complete the podium.

In the presence of big cheese Luca di Montezemolo, Ferrari at least opened its points account, even though Kimi Raikkonen 3 points in Bahrain leaves the famous Italian team just ninth in the constructors' standings.

Felipe Massa was just 14th and lapped, apparently with KERS problems and after having to pit for front end damage.

Both BMWs also displayed battle-damage at the end of 56 laps, and only beat Williams' retired Kazuka Nakajima to the chequered flag.

Best moments:

Jarno and Timo celebrate their one-two in qualifying for Toyota during the 2009 Grand Prix of Bahrain.

Next Race

Catalunya Spain

Friday 8 May
10:00 - 11:30: Practice 1
14:00 - 15:30: Practice 2

Saturday 9 May
11:00 - 12:00: Practice
14:00: Qualifying

Sunday 10 May
14:00: Race

Good luck.

**Plastic Flute** · 05-02-2009, 05:46 PM

Hi what are struts? and why do i need new ones.

Blackmask · 05-28-2009, 09:30 AM

They are a major part of your suspension system. You need new ones either because the ones you have a stuffed or because the mechanic has school fees or a dentist bill to pay.

**Val** · 05-29-2009, 01:50 PM

Blackmask ...
you could be the Gear Heads teacher.

**Jocasta** · 06-20-2009, 10:34 AM

British GP tomorrow and after qualifying it looks like it could be the most competitive race this year... I really think this could be the one for Webber, hope so too, the guy deserves his first win.

**Val** · 06-21-2009, 12:29 AM

I'll watch mummy!

And then, post the results here!

**Val** · 06-23-2009, 03:01 PM

Sorry mummy! I'm late.
But Fanhost is damn slow lately.

June 22nd, 2009

Vettel untouchable as Red Bull dominate British Grand Prix

What seemed to be a foregone conclusion after qualifying became one almost the moment Sebastian Vettel launched his Red Bull RB5 into the lead of the British Grand Prix. In a crushingly dominant drive, which underlined the major step forward that the Milton Keynes team have made on high-speed circuits, Vettel pulled away from Rubens Barrichello's Brawn by as much as a second a lap in a series of quick tours, and never looked remotely challenged.

Team mate Mark Webber finally got ahead of Barrichello during the first round of stops and likewise had no trouble staying ahead thereafter. But Vettel was still 15.1s ahead when the chequered flag fell.

The Brazilian held on to take third place, 25.9s adrift, while the race was enlivened in the closing laps as Jenson Button's Brawn began to develop decent tyre temperatures. The world championship leader had run between seventh and ninth places for much of the race but vaulted ahead of Ferrari's Kimi Raikkonen and Toyota's Jarno Trulli during the two pit stops, and launched a blistering attack from sixth place on Felipe Massa in the other Ferrari and Williams' Nico Rosberg, who were running fourth and fifth respectively. By the last lap 0.8s separated the Ferrari from the Williams and 0.3s the Williams and the Brawn.

On a day when damage limitation mattered the most, Button lost only three of his 26-point advantage over Barrichello. He now has 64 to the Brazilian's 41, Vettel's 39 and Webber's 35.5s.

Trulli hung on for seventh for Toyota, while Raikkonen fended off the Italian's team mate Timo Glock, but only just. Behind them, Giancarlo Fisichella took a fighting 10th place for Force India ahead of Kazuki Nakajima in the second Williams.

Lewis Hamilton had a terrible race. It was compromised early on as Renault's Fernando Alonso slid off the track ahead of him but obliged him in turn to go off in avoidance as he jerked back on to the tarmac. That left him embroiled in a fight with the Renaults and the BMW Saubers, which saw all of them lapped.

In the end, Nelson Piquet emerged in 12th place, just ahead of BMW Sauber's Robert Kubica and Alonso. Nick Heidfeld in the second BMW Sauber was 15th, some way ahead of Hamilton after he spun his McLaren at Vale on the 43rd lap.

Adrian Sutil and Sebastien Buemi completed the finishers after Sebastien Bourdais misjudged an overtaking move at Abbey on the 34th lap on McLaren's Heikki Kovalainen, and both subsequently retired because of the damaged caused.

Best moments:

**Jocasta** · 07-12-2009, 07:18 PM

Finally.... congrats, Mark. So well deserved!

**Plastic Flute** · 07-17-2009, 01:53 PM

Awesome Bod

**Frasier** · 07-21-2009, 05:45 PM

Nevertheless, my money on Button this year.

**Jocasta** · 07-21-2009, 05:57 PM

At 20 some points ahead that's not exactly a radical prediction, Fras but it's certainly not as clear cut as it was.

04-28-2009, 11:21 PM	#49 (permalink)
Plastic Flute ICHiBAN HoOT Join Date: May 2006 Location: New Jersey Posts: 16,766 My Profile	thats the vid Cami, but the one that was posted a whlie back had the music from the Wizard of Oz if i only had a Brain lol Last edited by Plastic Flute; 04-28-2009 at 11:22 PM..

07-21-2009, 05:57 PM	#60 (permalink)
Jocasta Josh&Hart&Nett. Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 21,216 My Profile	At 20 some points ahead that's not exactly a radical prediction, Fras but it's certainly not as clear cut as it was. Last edited by Jocasta; 07-21-2009 at 06:11 PM..

03-29-2009, 08:06 PM	#41 (permalink)
Val Gear Heads Moderator Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Brazil Posts: 9,538 My Profile	Brawn one-two in thrilling 2009 opener Jenson Button driving the Brawn GP car at Melbourne March 29th, 2009 (GMM) The 2009 championship opener on Sunday lived up to its pre-season hype, with Jenson Button leading an eventful Brawn one-two at Albert Park. The Briton, after two awful seasons for the Brackley team's previous guise Honda, crossed the line less than a second ahead of his teammate Rubens Barrichello, after a one-corner sprint to the finish following a safety car. The safety car was required after Sebastian Vettel and Robert Kubica, fighting hard for second place, tangled mere laps from the chequered flag. "I'm so sorry," German Vettel whimpered into his Red Bull's radio. "I think he could have left me some more room," BMW's Kubica, who had subsequently slammed hard into the turn 5 barriers after losing a wing under the car, told reporters behind the pitlane. Their clash gifted the second step on the podium to Barrichello, who had a race of incidents, including nearly stalling at the start, triggering a first-corner crash, and later shedding some more front wing by tagging the rear of a Ferrari. Jarno Trulli completed the podium despite starting from the pitlane following the 'flexi wing' disqualification of Saturday, ahead of a surprised world champion Lewis Hamilton. "Our car is what it is at the moment, but if anyone can turn it around quite quickly, it is us," the McLaren driver, one of only a few to stay out of trouble on Sunday, said in the paddock. 2009's only rookie, Sebastien Buemi, attracted some criticism this weekend for being promoted by Red Bull ahead of arguably more qualified GP2 drivers, but performed strongly to finish ahead of his teammate Sebastien Bourdais for a debut point. Local driver Mark Webber was bitterly disappointed to finish a lap down and last. "It wasn't really embarrassing," said the Australian, who nursed a damaged car through 57 laps after early contact with Barrichello, "but a real shame as I wanted to do something for the fans here." Ferrari kicked off its 2009 campaign with a disastrous nil points: Kimi Raikkonen spinning into a concrete wall and later retiring, while Felipe Massa also ended up in the garage with a failed F60. Best moments: Top 3 qualifiers for the 2009 Austrialian F1 GP. 1st Jenson Button (BrawnGP), 2nd Rubens Barrichello (BrawnGP) and 3rd Sebastian Vettel (Red Bull). Jenson Button and Nick Fry Jenson Button going fast at Melbourne, driving his Brawn GP car, for the first time at in competition Next race: Sepang - Malaysia Friday 3 April 04:00 - 05:30: Practice 1 08:00 - 09:30: Practice 2 Saturday 4 April 08:00 - 09:00: Practice 11:00: Qualifying Sunday 5 April 17:00: Race Good luck!

04-03-2009, 11:28 AM	#42 (permalink)
Blackmask Senior Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 6,173 My Profile	Ron isn't going to like his team being the second Mercedes team in the game.

04-03-2009, 11:58 AM	#43 (permalink)
Val Gear Heads Moderator Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Brazil Posts: 9,538 My Profile	Hey Blackmask ... good to see you here!

04-03-2009, 01:38 PM	#44 (permalink)
Jocasta Josh&Hart&Nett. Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 21,216 My Profile	It was a fantastic opening race and so save family argument I suggest Val and I follow Brawn (Jenson and Rubens/ England and Brazil)!

04-20-2009, 03:39 AM	#45 (permalink)
Jocasta Josh&Hart&Nett. Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 21,216 My Profile	What a fabulous start to the season, it's just had everything already! I was never a massive fan of the sport but I'm enjoying it more and more... plus my daughter is heavily into it, which helps. Vettel is such a exciting young driver, great to see his win yesterday.

04-20-2009, 06:09 PM	#46 (permalink)
Val Gear Heads Moderator Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Brazil Posts: 9,538 My Profile	Sorry mummy! I had to update this topic yesterday, but I was busy and ... lazy to do it. Red Bull finish one-two in Chinese rain The nose of the Red Bull RB5 Apr.19 (GMM) Red Bull Racing recorded an historic first grand prix win in Chinese rain on Sunday, Sebastian Vettel leading home teammate Mark Webber for a dominant one-two. "It's my second win in the wet," said German youngster Vettel, recalling his first win from pole for junior team Toro Rosso at Monza last year. "I don't think I will mind if we have some more rain!" 45 seconds down the road, Brawn's Jenson Button completed the podium, but he retains his championship lead, 6 points ahead of Rubens Barrichello, who finished behind the sister car in Shanghai. Behind the four Red Bulls and Brawns came the two McLarens, with Heikki Kovalainen ahead of Lewis Hamilton, after the reigning world champion spun multiple times at the Shanghai International Circuit. Toro Rosso rookie Sebastien Buemi scored a point, but he had hearts racing on the Red Bull-branded pitwalls at one point, clipping the rear of winner Vettel under safety car conditions. "I am lucky to have been able to finish," Vettel said in the post-race press conference. Fernando Alonso qualified second but finished out of the points, after his low-fuel strategy came to nought when he had to pit even before the long eight-lap safety car period ended at the wet start of the race. Ferrari again failed to open its 2009 points account: Kimi Raikkonen looking sluggish en route to tenth, while a furious Felipe Massa ground to a halt behind the safety car. Jarno Trulli also had to retire, after Robert Kubica smashed into the rear of his Toyota. Adrian Sutil, meanwhile, almost collected debut points for Force India, until he spun and had a huge crash with just five laps to go. Best moments: Water man!!! Too much water!!! Poor Safty Car... seems it's in a lake! Chinese grid girls. At least was not raining. Vettel and Button - 1st and 3rd places. Next race Bahrain Friday 24 April 09:00 - 10:30: Practice 1 13:00 - 14:30: Practice 2 Saturday 25 April 10:00 - 11:00: Practice 13:00: Qualifying Sunday 26 April 15:00: Race Good luck!

04-28-2009, 05:37 PM	#47 (permalink)
Plastic Flute ICHiBAN HoOT Join Date: May 2006 Location: New Jersey Posts: 16,766 My Profile	Hey Val, and all. Some time ago a videao was posted from Utube (OMG it was hysterical) A women trying to pump gas from the wrong side of the car. Does anyone rem it? if so *please* post the link or Vid. ?

04-28-2009, 06:22 PM	#48 (permalink)
Camino Triple the Pleasure!... Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 3,883 My Profile	This has to be the one you are talking about...it is hilarious! P.S. Just remember Val, not all us women are this lame!

04-29-2009, 12:50 PM	#50 (permalink)
Val Gear Heads Moderator Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Brazil Posts: 9,538 My Profile	Well ... the image is in black and white. But doesn't seem that the woman is blonde. Back to the topic... Button extends title lead with Bahrain win Apr.26 (GMM) Jenson Button extended his lead in the drivers' world championship to 12 points over his Brawn teammate Rubens Barrichello, by winning the Bahrain grand prix in sweltering conditions on Sunday. After also winning in Australia and Malaysia, the 29-year-old Briton said the victory - over Red Bull's Sebastian Vettel - was his favourite of the season. "We have been right on the edge with engine temperature, not quite always there with pace, so the races you aren't completely sure about are the ones that feel the best (to win)," team boss Ross Brawn told the BBC. Shanghai winner Vettel now trails Button for the title by 13 points, while a further 3.5 points adrift is Jarno Trulli, who after scoring pole position in the Sakhir desert finished 2 seconds adrift of Vettel to complete the podium. In the presence of big cheese Luca di Montezemolo, Ferrari at least opened its points account, even though Kimi Raikkonen 3 points in Bahrain leaves the famous Italian team just ninth in the constructors' standings. Felipe Massa was just 14th and lapped, apparently with KERS problems and after having to pit for front end damage. Both BMWs also displayed battle-damage at the end of 56 laps, and only beat Williams' retired Kazuka Nakajima to the chequered flag. Best moments: Jarno and Timo celebrate their one-two in qualifying for Toyota during the 2009 Grand Prix of Bahrain. Next Race Catalunya Spain Friday 8 May 10:00 - 11:30: Practice 1 14:00 - 15:30: Practice 2 Saturday 9 May 11:00 - 12:00: Practice 14:00: Qualifying Sunday 10 May 14:00: Race Good luck.

05-02-2009, 05:46 PM	#51 (permalink)
Plastic Flute ICHiBAN HoOT Join Date: May 2006 Location: New Jersey Posts: 16,766 My Profile	Hi what are struts? and why do i need new ones.

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05-28-2009, 09:30 AM	#52 (permalink)
Blackmask Senior Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 6,173 My Profile	They are a major part of your suspension system. You need new ones either because the ones you have a stuffed or because the mechanic has school fees or a dentist bill to pay.

05-29-2009, 01:50 PM	#53 (permalink)
Val Gear Heads Moderator Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Brazil Posts: 9,538 My Profile	Blackmask ... you could be the Gear Heads teacher.

06-20-2009, 10:34 AM	#54 (permalink)
Jocasta Josh&Hart&Nett. Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 21,216 My Profile	British GP tomorrow and after qualifying it looks like it could be the most competitive race this year... I really think this could be the one for Webber, hope so too, the guy deserves his first win.

06-21-2009, 12:29 AM	#55 (permalink)
Val Gear Heads Moderator Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Brazil Posts: 9,538 My Profile	I'll watch mummy! And then, post the results here!

06-23-2009, 03:01 PM	#56 (permalink)
Val Gear Heads Moderator Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Brazil Posts: 9,538 My Profile	Sorry mummy! I'm late. But Fanhost is damn slow lately. June 22nd, 2009 Vettel untouchable as Red Bull dominate British Grand Prix What seemed to be a foregone conclusion after qualifying became one almost the moment Sebastian Vettel launched his Red Bull RB5 into the lead of the British Grand Prix. In a crushingly dominant drive, which underlined the major step forward that the Milton Keynes team have made on high-speed circuits, Vettel pulled away from Rubens Barrichello's Brawn by as much as a second a lap in a series of quick tours, and never looked remotely challenged. Team mate Mark Webber finally got ahead of Barrichello during the first round of stops and likewise had no trouble staying ahead thereafter. But Vettel was still 15.1s ahead when the chequered flag fell. The Brazilian held on to take third place, 25.9s adrift, while the race was enlivened in the closing laps as Jenson Button's Brawn began to develop decent tyre temperatures. The world championship leader had run between seventh and ninth places for much of the race but vaulted ahead of Ferrari's Kimi Raikkonen and Toyota's Jarno Trulli during the two pit stops, and launched a blistering attack from sixth place on Felipe Massa in the other Ferrari and Williams' Nico Rosberg, who were running fourth and fifth respectively. By the last lap 0.8s separated the Ferrari from the Williams and 0.3s the Williams and the Brawn. On a day when damage limitation mattered the most, Button lost only three of his 26-point advantage over Barrichello. He now has 64 to the Brazilian's 41, Vettel's 39 and Webber's 35.5s. Trulli hung on for seventh for Toyota, while Raikkonen fended off the Italian's team mate Timo Glock, but only just. Behind them, Giancarlo Fisichella took a fighting 10th place for Force India ahead of Kazuki Nakajima in the second Williams. Lewis Hamilton had a terrible race. It was compromised early on as Renault's Fernando Alonso slid off the track ahead of him but obliged him in turn to go off in avoidance as he jerked back on to the tarmac. That left him embroiled in a fight with the Renaults and the BMW Saubers, which saw all of them lapped. In the end, Nelson Piquet emerged in 12th place, just ahead of BMW Sauber's Robert Kubica and Alonso. Nick Heidfeld in the second BMW Sauber was 15th, some way ahead of Hamilton after he spun his McLaren at Vale on the 43rd lap. Adrian Sutil and Sebastien Buemi completed the finishers after Sebastien Bourdais misjudged an overtaking move at Abbey on the 34th lap on McLaren's Heikki Kovalainen, and both subsequently retired because of the damaged caused. Best moments:

07-12-2009, 07:18 PM	#57 (permalink)
Jocasta Josh&Hart&Nett. Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 21,216 My Profile	Finally.... congrats, Mark. So well deserved!

07-17-2009, 01:53 PM	#58 (permalink)
Plastic Flute ICHiBAN HoOT Join Date: May 2006 Location: New Jersey Posts: 16,766 My Profile	Awesome Bod

07-21-2009, 05:45 PM	#59 (permalink)
Frasier I.D.I.C. Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 5,285 My Profile	Nevertheless, my money on Button this year.