Banksy

**Jocasta** · 03-05-2008, 03:23 PM

Just genius, I love the idea of art out of the gallery.

Raj Chavda, proprietor of a chemist's, stands beside the outside wall of the premises on which some artwork attributed to Banksy, the famed graffiti artist, has recently appeared on March 04, 2008 in north London, England. The scene depicts children gathering around a flagpole on which a plastic Tesco supermarket bag is flying. The artwork appeared on the wall on Sunday, March 2, 2008.

For those of you outside of the UK, Tesco are the biggest grocery chain here and their stores are everywhere and taking over retailing at a frightening rate.

Moshe.. · 03-05-2008, 05:08 PM

I love conceptual art. I hate banksy. He's bland, boring, unoriginal and inartistic. That comment might have been somewhat witty if he'd done it ten years ago. Now -- it's utter cliche. You know every tabloid journalist has been saying the same for the last decade! It looks like a cartoon from the daily mail which he's just stenciled onto a wall. How is that art? The reason he is popular with the general public is because he is rubbish. It's just like britney spears. If he was actually original, he wouldn't get in the papers, and actors in the american film industry (which is very similar to tescos) wouldn't buy his work. Hollywood, now that is a tesco supermarket.

Time trumpet was three years ago already. 4:00 minutes in.

**Jocasta** · 03-05-2008, 06:08 PM

I think he'd love your comments, just perfect.

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Now -- it's utter cliche.

The point.

Moshe.. · 03-05-2008, 06:54 PM

How is that the point? You stencil an out-of-date cartoon onto a wall - wow how subversive and radical. If you want to impress me, try raping a factory chicken while queuing for the checkout. Japanese conceptual artists eat aborted fetuses on live television. According to nietzsche, anti-bourgeois angst is the opiate of the last man. Unfortunately, the one thing banksy certainly isn't is an opiate! He's about as subversive as paracetamol. He's about as cutting-edge as marks and spencer's underwear. He's about as convincing as britney pretending to be the next 'venus in furs'. God look even the chemist likes it. Britney pushing the boundaries of human sexuality.

I suppose it's pretty mural. It looks like such an ugly wall. At least he's brightening the place up. I love brick walls. London has too many of those hideous shanty town streets. They should be knocked down. And now I'm going to get high on ice-cream and aspirin.

Captain Beefheart · 03-05-2008, 07:17 PM

Guerilla artist.

The guy has snucked and hunged works of art into every major museum in New York, and the Tate in London...

Before Bansky, Shepard Fairey was the artist making all the right moves...while the "Obey" campaign still constantly blows my lid, Banksy is on some other s!hit entirely. Is he out to slaughter pop culture? Is he the next Warhol? Tipping the artworld off it's feet while it's been asleep like a cow? aris Hilton cd ownage, pink elephants?

Is he trying to leave a message, being cryptic, and subversive as usual?
Trying to generate discussion? Who cares! Elitists are getting mad! HAHAHHA.

Moshe.. · 03-05-2008, 07:34 PM

Yes exactly, he's been taking 'the how to be boring and unoriginal' drugs. He's as mainstream, bland and conformist as you can get. He's the only artist in the world that the average taxi driver will enjoy (which = totally unsubversive). He's the harry potter of the art world. He's to serious conceptual art what 'kenny g' is to john coltrane. Starbucks compared to les deux magots (in the 1930s - i know now it's just a tourist attraction!). Ub40 compared to bob marley.
It's like urban outfitters compared to anna sui!

**Jocasta** · 03-05-2008, 07:55 PM

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If you want to impress me

Of course, that's his motivation to impress you.

Yes, it's a pretty mural, is there something wrong with that?

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Is he trying to leave a message, being cryptic, and subversive as usual?
Trying to generate discussion? Who cares! Elitists are getting mad! HAHAHHA.

Yes and that's just wonderful... heaven forbid a taxi driver should enjoy art... and a chemist too, whatever next?! It's disgusting.

Moshe.. · 03-05-2008, 08:08 PM

If you're trying to make subversive conceptual agitprop and all the most boring people in the world already love it (chemists are racy), you're not doing your job. You're telling people stuff they already know. You're pandering to the herd-thought of the day. You're failing to say anything new. Fail. My commiserations. Nill point. Sorry darling. Do not pass go.

Does this work challenge your mental-boundaries? NO - it gimmickily re-packages the most common-place preconceptions in exchange for huge quantities of dosh via swiftly followed private auctions which are actually held in exclusive los angeles dealerships. The people behind the 'banksy' character (it's probably a large team of inaesthetic design consultants!) are laughing all the way to the bank. The 'art'-dealers love it: they're making millions selling the rubbish to gullible americans like brad pitt. The scientology buildings are likely being kitted out with this hideous trash as we speak. The 'art' industrialists will promote it for cynical financial gain. Banksy: the apotheosis of capitalism. Essentially the work of advertising executives. Very similar to saatchi-saatchi. Saatchi do love their stunts. We can be pretty sure 'he' is a conglomerate of london marketeers. It's very big business in fitzrovia. 'Banksy' probably did the ads for new labour. EVeRy banksy work YoU BUY puts hIM even further out Of your leagUe.

The ridiculous attention which these media gimmicks get. The piece has all the intellectual & artistic merit of the cartoon page of the sun newspaper. And while the work of real artists in london is so so so often totally ignored.

**Jocasta** · 03-06-2008, 04:03 AM

If the artist's reasoning was to pander to the elitist minority then he failed, yes congratulations dear, F for fail. They can mock and sneer all they like but... maybe the artist's motives are not concerned with those condescending intellectuals in their ivory towers. Just maybe he doesn't give a f*ck about them.

**MissyO** · 03-06-2008, 06:31 AM

God bless graffiti.

darko. · 03-06-2008, 06:47 AM

i dont give a **** if he's 'original' or not or 'challenges my mental boundaries' whatever that means. he's just boring as hell.

i dont have much respect for people who resort to gimmicks. hey if it makes you money, go for it but dont expect any sort of recognition beyond the fact that you're mildly clever to the point whre I almost smirk for half a second.

and I don't believe in defacing other people's property without their consent. the fact that its graffitti adds to its appeal and thats lame as hell.

Moshe.. · 03-06-2008, 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Jocasta

If the artist's reasoning was to pander to the elitist minority then he failed, yes congratulations dear, F for fail. They can mock and sneer all they like but... maybe the artist's motives are not concerned with those condescending intellectuals in their ivory towers. Just maybe he doesn't give a f*ck about them.

He is merely an industrialist. Why would he care? He's making millions. He has no integrity. It's just a fraudster. A big scam. The jokes on you. The 'elitist minority' (I'll assume you're talking about the london art industry?) love his work, insofar as they are quite happy to profit off it. His book (published by random house!) was the most profitable 'art' text of 2005. It is probably the work of the saatchi himself.

The people who suffer from this trash are the real artists (and the public who miss out on them). I don't know where to start. My mum's never had a book deal, or a proper exhibition in london. And van gogh couldn't afford shoe polish. Modigliani had to shop-lift bread. The banksy's of the time were taking up all the exhibition space you see. Why are we even calling him 'banksy'? What is he seven? It is almost impossible to make a career out of real art because the public have such bad taste. They prefer to watch television.

I like my street paint. I live in london. I see far far better graffiti than this every single day. Even by the standards of hoxton, banksy is low, unoriginal, ugly. Does he tell you anything you didn't already know? Is it thought provoking? Is it beautiful?

And then what do you mean by 'elitist' ? People who actually care about art? How is that a bad thing? Why is bad to be an intellectual? What is wrong with thinking? Academics don't get paid anything in this country. Unlike bansky, we're not business men. EVeRy banksy work YoU BUY puts hIM even further out Of MY leagUe.

**Jocasta** · 03-06-2008, 11:54 AM

I mentioned "condescending" intellectuals, not all thinking people... I didn't generalise. Someone who cares about art can hate an artist who doesn't match their own criteria, that's fine but then they can't cry when they're called elitist.

Moshe.. · 03-06-2008, 12:31 PM

According to your thinking, being an elitist is a precondition for saying a piece of art is rubbish. Banksy is utter rubbish therefore I'm an elitist. Beethoven is better than britney therefore I'm an elitist. Is it bad to be an elitist? Not if you make it a precondition for judging art. Don't be silly.

And banksy claims to be a subversive. He claims to subvert current thinking. The hypocrisy.

**Jocasta** · 03-06-2008, 01:11 PM

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And banksy claims to be a subversive. He claims to subvert current thinking.

Then in that respect, in your opinion, he fails but that's on one level and in one opinion. I respect your opinion even when you resort to person insults... silly me.

Moshe.. · 03-06-2008, 01:30 PM

YOu like banksy that's cute. I write all over library books, shout at my parents, never tidy anything up, always turn up late and worship margaret thatcher. Everyone has their faults. Banksy just makes me really angry!

**Jocasta** · 03-06-2008, 01:36 PM

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YOu like banksy that's cute.

What did I say before, about being condescending?

I enjoyed those pictures, that's all but I'm so glad I started this topic; another facet of Moshe is revealed.

Moshe.. · 03-06-2008, 02:23 PM

I like james bond and disney. I'm probably a hundred times cuter than you. And it doesn't mean you have bad taste if you like something i think is trash. It doesn't make you wrong. I have some of the worst taste in the world. I just have weird taste. You definitely have much more sensible opinions than me. You might be much wiser. And, I thought it was good a topic too. Arguing is the best thing about the internet. I wish I could argue all day.

**Jocasta** · 03-06-2008, 02:27 PM

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I like james bond

That's not going to be a rich vein of argument... as long as we agree on one thing...

Scotland Forever?

Moshe.. · 03-06-2008, 02:44 PM

I'm going on holiday there one day. The flying scotsman looks glamorous at least in my fantasy. Oh my god I don't want to come across on the internet as some offensive & evil person. This always feels more like a diary than real communication. I treat it as a nice place to dump some random rantings and opinions. You're one of my fave internet message board persons anyway. I'm not like - "she likes banksy what a freak". It's just writing on a screen.

03-05-2008, 03:23 PM	#1 (permalink)
Jocasta Joshtopian Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Shaftesbury Avenue Posts: 17,807 My Profile	Banksy Just genius, I love the idea of art out of the gallery. Raj Chavda, proprietor of a chemist's, stands beside the outside wall of the premises on which some artwork attributed to Banksy, the famed graffiti artist, has recently appeared on March 04, 2008 in north London, England. The scene depicts children gathering around a flagpole on which a plastic Tesco supermarket bag is flying. The artwork appeared on the wall on Sunday, March 2, 2008. For those of you outside of the UK, Tesco are the biggest grocery chain here and their stores are everywhere and taking over retailing at a frightening rate.

03-05-2008, 06:54 PM	#4 (permalink)
Moshe.. il dolce far niente Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: hampstead Posts: 971 My Profile	How is that the point? You stencil an out-of-date cartoon onto a wall - wow how subversive and radical. If you want to impress me, try raping a factory chicken while queuing for the checkout. Japanese conceptual artists eat aborted fetuses on live television. According to nietzsche, anti-bourgeois angst is the opiate of the last man. Unfortunately, the one thing banksy certainly isn't is an opiate! He's about as subversive as paracetamol. He's about as cutting-edge as marks and spencer's underwear. He's about as convincing as britney pretending to be the next 'venus in furs'. God look even the chemist likes it. Britney pushing the boundaries of human sexuality. I suppose it's pretty mural. It looks like such an ugly wall. At least he's brightening the place up. I love brick walls. London has too many of those hideous shanty town streets. They should be knocked down. And now I'm going to get high on ice-cream and aspirin. Last edited by Moshe.. : 03-05-2008 at 07:20 PM.

03-05-2008, 07:17 PM	#5 (permalink)
Captain Beefheart Mu nótahu Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: In a West End town, a dead end world Posts: 3,677 My Profile	Guerilla artist. The guy has snucked and hunged works of art into every major museum in New York, and the Tate in London... Before Bansky, Shepard Fairey was the artist making all the right moves...while the "Obey" campaign still constantly blows my lid, Banksy is on some other s!hit entirely. Is he out to slaughter pop culture? Is he the next Warhol? Tipping the artworld off it's feet while it's been asleep like a cow? aris Hilton cd ownage, pink elephants? Is he trying to leave a message, being cryptic, and subversive as usual? Trying to generate discussion? Who cares! Elitists are getting mad! HAHAHHA. Last edited by Captain Beefheart : 03-05-2008 at 07:20 PM.

03-05-2008, 07:34 PM	#6 (permalink)
Moshe.. il dolce far niente Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: hampstead Posts: 971 My Profile	Yes exactly, he's been taking 'the how to be boring and unoriginal' drugs. He's as mainstream, bland and conformist as you can get. He's the only artist in the world that the average taxi driver will enjoy (which = totally unsubversive). He's the harry potter of the art world. He's to serious conceptual art what 'kenny g' is to john coltrane. Starbucks compared to les deux magots (in the 1930s - i know now it's just a tourist attraction!). Ub40 compared to bob marley. It's like urban outfitters compared to anna sui! Last edited by Moshe.. : 03-05-2008 at 07:53 PM.

03-05-2008, 08:08 PM	#8 (permalink)
Moshe.. il dolce far niente Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: hampstead Posts: 971 My Profile	If you're trying to make subversive conceptual agitprop and all the most boring people in the world already love it (chemists are racy), you're not doing your job. You're telling people stuff they already know. You're pandering to the herd-thought of the day. You're failing to say anything new. Fail. My commiserations. Nill point. Sorry darling. Do not pass go. Does this work challenge your mental-boundaries? NO - it gimmickily re-packages the most common-place preconceptions in exchange for huge quantities of dosh via swiftly followed private auctions which are actually held in exclusive los angeles dealerships. The people behind the 'banksy' character (it's probably a large team of inaesthetic design consultants!) are laughing all the way to the bank. The 'art'-dealers love it: they're making millions selling the rubbish to gullible americans like brad pitt. The scientology buildings are likely being kitted out with this hideous trash as we speak. The 'art' industrialists will promote it for cynical financial gain. Banksy: the apotheosis of capitalism. Essentially the work of advertising executives. Very similar to saatchi-saatchi. Saatchi do love their stunts. We can be pretty sure 'he' is a conglomerate of london marketeers. It's very big business in fitzrovia. 'Banksy' probably did the ads for new labour. EVeRy banksy work YoU BUY puts hIM even further out Of your leagUe. The ridiculous attention which these media gimmicks get. The piece has all the intellectual & artistic merit of the cartoon page of the sun newspaper. And while the work of real artists in london is so so so often totally ignored. Last edited by Moshe.. : 03-05-2008 at 11:25 PM.

03-05-2008, 05:08 PM	#2 (permalink)
Moshe.. il dolce far niente Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: hampstead Posts: 971 My Profile	I love conceptual art. I hate banksy. He's bland, boring, unoriginal and inartistic. That comment might have been somewhat witty if he'd done it ten years ago. Now -- it's utter cliche. You know every tabloid journalist has been saying the same for the last decade! It looks like a cartoon from the daily mail which he's just stenciled onto a wall. How is that art? The reason he is popular with the general public is because he is rubbish. It's just like britney spears. If he was actually original, he wouldn't get in the papers, and actors in the american film industry (which is very similar to tescos) wouldn't buy his work. Hollywood, now that is a tesco supermarket. Time trumpet was three years ago already. 4:00 minutes in.

03-06-2008, 04:03 AM	#9 (permalink)
Jocasta Joshtopian Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Shaftesbury Avenue Posts: 17,807 My Profile	If the artist's reasoning was to pander to the elitist minority then he failed, yes congratulations dear, F for fail. They can mock and sneer all they like but... maybe the artist's motives are not concerned with those condescending intellectuals in their ivory towers. Just maybe he doesn't give a f*ck about them.

03-06-2008, 06:31 AM	#10 (permalink)
MissyO Perennially Disgruntled Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Sydney Posts: 4,111 My Profile	God bless graffiti.

03-06-2008, 06:47 AM	#11 (permalink)
darko. Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: shlums 'o shaolin Posts: 2,087	i dont give a **** if he's 'original' or not or 'challenges my mental boundaries' whatever that means. he's just boring as hell. i dont have much respect for people who resort to gimmicks. hey if it makes you money, go for it but dont expect any sort of recognition beyond the fact that you're mildly clever to the point whre I almost smirk for half a second. and I don't believe in defacing other people's property without their consent. the fact that its graffitti adds to its appeal and thats lame as hell.

03-06-2008, 11:54 AM	#13 (permalink)
Jocasta Joshtopian Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Shaftesbury Avenue Posts: 17,807 My Profile	I mentioned "condescending" intellectuals, not all thinking people... I didn't generalise. Someone who cares about art can hate an artist who doesn't match their own criteria, that's fine but then they can't cry when they're called elitist. Last edited by Jocasta : 03-06-2008 at 11:54 AM.

03-06-2008, 12:31 PM	#14 (permalink)
Moshe.. il dolce far niente Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: hampstead Posts: 971 My Profile	According to your thinking, being an elitist is a precondition for saying a piece of art is rubbish. Banksy is utter rubbish therefore I'm an elitist. Beethoven is better than britney therefore I'm an elitist. Is it bad to be an elitist? Not if you make it a precondition for judging art. Don't be silly. And banksy claims to be a subversive. He claims to subvert current thinking. The hypocrisy. Last edited by Moshe.. : 03-06-2008 at 12:37 PM.

03-06-2008, 01:30 PM	#16 (permalink)
Moshe.. il dolce far niente Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: hampstead Posts: 971 My Profile	YOu like banksy that's cute. I write all over library books, shout at my parents, never tidy anything up, always turn up late and worship margaret thatcher. Everyone has their faults. Banksy just makes me really angry!

03-06-2008, 02:23 PM	#18 (permalink)
Moshe.. il dolce far niente Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: hampstead Posts: 971 My Profile	I like james bond and disney. I'm probably a hundred times cuter than you. And it doesn't mean you have bad taste if you like something i think is trash. It doesn't make you wrong. I have some of the worst taste in the world. I just have weird taste. You definitely have much more sensible opinions than me. You might be much wiser. And, I thought it was good a topic too. Arguing is the best thing about the internet. I wish I could argue all day.

03-06-2008, 02:44 PM	#20 (permalink)
Moshe.. il dolce far niente Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: hampstead Posts: 971 My Profile	I'm going on holiday there one day. The flying scotsman looks glamorous at least in my fantasy. Oh my god I don't want to come across on the internet as some offensive & evil person. This always feels more like a diary than real communication. I treat it as a nice place to dump some random rantings and opinions. You're one of my fave internet message board persons anyway. I'm not like - "she likes banksy what a freak". It's just writing on a screen.

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